Why meth/water inj and not more fuel?
Nov 10, 2006, 07:25 PM
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With the EM around today, a pump failure isn't a big deal, most ecus can save the car before any real damage and with the failsafes out there is a lot of added protection...
Nov 10, 2006, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Ultimate CC
With the EM around today, a pump failure isn't a big deal, most ecus can save the car before any real damage and with the failsafes out there is a lot of added protection...
It is still a slight fear in the back of the head though. Kinda like how after seeing Jaws as a kid I couldn't swim in the deep end of the pool at night in fear of Jaws eating me. I now know that there are no sharks in my pool, but the thought still creeps into my head from time to time. Haha
Nov 10, 2006, 07:32 PM
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The Germans were so successful with it, that the Americans tested it and started using it. The water instantly vaporizes and cools the charge while the alcohol helps to cool and increases octane rating. Water/Meth CAN be used instead of an intercooler for boost levels up to about 20 psi. Cars have been known to make 1000 horsepower without an intercooler, only using water/meth.
Nov 10, 2006, 07:46 PM
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steam cleaning
Originally Posted by Wolf28
Plus you have the upside of it steam cleaning your cylinder walls. 
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...ght=spark+plug
Nov 10, 2006, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 9sec9
I'm thinking about trying Vodka/Water. I figure if I can't find someone to race, I'll just sit and drink it.
how about some everclear/water
Nov 10, 2006, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by SlowCar
lol.....vodka is only 80 proof
how about some everclear/water
how about some everclear/water
Meth is a no brainer, not to mention if you only want to make 400-450 on pump gas that can be redially obtained on a 50 trim and cams, and a decent tune, no meth, stock turbo without meth though its not happening.
Nov 10, 2006, 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by QuickOne
Contrary to what everyone in this thread seems to think, i'm not trying to replace meth/alky. I'm trying to stay away from it all together. I want to run a pure gasoline car that makes 400-450 whp without all of the extra gadgets.
My point about adding fuel/pulling timing on previous cars was all part of the tuning process. Of course, i could have made gobs more power with 100oct and a race gas map, but, I don't have 100oct readily available to me (and i'm not going to get a 55gal drum to put in my garage)..
This car needs to be regularly fueled on 93oct and will only have limited time on anything else.
These cars have been making well over 500hp for years. Meth/Alky injection (in augmenting regular gasoline - not 100% meth/alky injection) is only a fad that has started recently. And honestly, i don't think it's needed.
As soon as I get my new ems, i will be trying this method before going to anything else.
My point about adding fuel/pulling timing on previous cars was all part of the tuning process. Of course, i could have made gobs more power with 100oct and a race gas map, but, I don't have 100oct readily available to me (and i'm not going to get a 55gal drum to put in my garage)..
This car needs to be regularly fueled on 93oct and will only have limited time on anything else.
These cars have been making well over 500hp for years. Meth/Alky injection (in augmenting regular gasoline - not 100% meth/alky injection) is only a fad that has started recently. And honestly, i don't think it's needed.
As soon as I get my new ems, i will be trying this method before going to anything else.
Nov 11, 2006, 12:43 AM
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Buick Grand National guys and European racing teams have been using water injection systems well before Supra and Evo people picked it up.
QuickOne, it sounds like you're trying to invent a better mousetrap. search around and you'll see that if your "logic" was a better way to tune the Evo many powerhouses (AMS and Buschur to name 2) would have been all over this. but in the end its your car, your time, your money and your energy...give it a shot and post your results, we're all curious to hear.
QuickOne, it sounds like you're trying to invent a better mousetrap. search around and you'll see that if your "logic" was a better way to tune the Evo many powerhouses (AMS and Buschur to name 2) would have been all over this. but in the end its your car, your time, your money and your energy...give it a shot and post your results, we're all curious to hear.
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Nov 11, 2006, 04:47 AM
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i was thinking....fighter jets use afterburners.....
injection of fuel into the exhaust stream to increase thrust - at the expense of exuberant fuel consumption
maybe if he can "somehow" put some fuel injectors in the exhaust manifold to increase post-combustion volume for spooling the snail
but then, 14.7-1 is stoichiometric combustion and a normal car runs somewhere between 11-1 to 12-1, oxygen content is pretty much depleted......
injection of fuel into the exhaust stream to increase thrust - at the expense of exuberant fuel consumption
maybe if he can "somehow" put some fuel injectors in the exhaust manifold to increase post-combustion volume for spooling the snail
but then, 14.7-1 is stoichiometric combustion and a normal car runs somewhere between 11-1 to 12-1, oxygen content is pretty much depleted......
Nov 11, 2006, 05:36 AM
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Omg
[QUOTE=SlowCar]i was thinking....fighter jets use afterburners.....
injection of fuel into the exhaust stream to increase thrust - at the expense of exuberant fuel consumption
maybe if he can "somehow" put some fuel injectors in the exhaust manifold to increase post-combustion volume for spooling the snail
QUOTE]
Woah Nelly!..... Keep that kind of thinking in your head, or people will KNOW you don't know the first thing about this stuff. A Jet fighter accellerates by producing thrust through the tail end of his jet engine. How much thrust do you think an evo produces out it's tailpipe? How would starting a fire after your turbo increase post combustion anything? It is POST-COMBUSTION. In the combustion phase of operation is when a piston motor makes power.
injection of fuel into the exhaust stream to increase thrust - at the expense of exuberant fuel consumption
maybe if he can "somehow" put some fuel injectors in the exhaust manifold to increase post-combustion volume for spooling the snail
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Woah Nelly!..... Keep that kind of thinking in your head, or people will KNOW you don't know the first thing about this stuff. A Jet fighter accellerates by producing thrust through the tail end of his jet engine. How much thrust do you think an evo produces out it's tailpipe? How would starting a fire after your turbo increase post combustion anything? It is POST-COMBUSTION. In the combustion phase of operation is when a piston motor makes power.
Nov 11, 2006, 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by SlowCar
i was thinking....fighter jets use afterburners.....
injection of fuel into the exhaust stream to increase thrust - at the expense of exuberant fuel consumption
maybe if he can "somehow" put some fuel injectors in the exhaust manifold to increase post-combustion volume for spooling the snail
but then, 14.7-1 is stoichiometric combustion and a normal car runs somewhere between 11-1 to 12-1, oxygen content is pretty much depleted......
injection of fuel into the exhaust stream to increase thrust - at the expense of exuberant fuel consumption
maybe if he can "somehow" put some fuel injectors in the exhaust manifold to increase post-combustion volume for spooling the snail
but then, 14.7-1 is stoichiometric combustion and a normal car runs somewhere between 11-1 to 12-1, oxygen content is pretty much depleted......