best fmic?
#31
Blah blah blah blah blah, blah blah blah.....just curious as to what intercoolers have you owned, tested, and compared to give this enlightened data? You sound exactly like your username sounds. Good job.
OK, sorry, back to the topic...I think rarely will you buy something from Japan that is not of better quality than a US made something. The 'best' anything should be what is best for your application and for the original poster and most people, it is the stocker. If you have the cash, get the ARC. If you do not, get the Nisei Comp. If not the Comp, then AMS. The non Comp<AMS and Bushur race models.
4 out of 6 coolers mentioned in this post are in my possession.
OK, sorry, back to the topic...I think rarely will you buy something from Japan that is not of better quality than a US made something. The 'best' anything should be what is best for your application and for the original poster and most people, it is the stocker. If you have the cash, get the ARC. If you do not, get the Nisei Comp. If not the Comp, then AMS. The non Comp<AMS and Bushur race models.
4 out of 6 coolers mentioned in this post are in my possession.
#32
#33
What exactly does my username have to with anything? I spose I could make fun of your's, but I won't sink to that level, and I have no idea what it means.. Anyway I did post an example as to why the Nisei is the better choice. Nisei also has tested their core against Japan's finest and is confident enough to post the results. Yout comment about anything made in Japan is better quality than US made stuff is just ignorant. Get off the JDM bandwagon.
Have you ever looked at a ARC intercooler dude?
or felt one?
they weigh more than 20lbs less than a buschur race.
Thats a big deal.
#34
Look I'm not saying ARC isn't quality stuff. However it is overpriced, and no one has shown me ANY evidence that it performs as well, or better than intercoolers made here in the US. Until someone can prove to me the performance gain is worth $800-$900 more than the Nisei intercooler, I stand by my comment.
In general I most definatly agree that you do get what you pay for, but when you get to a certain level most of that goes out the window. There's some JDM exhaust's that cost over $2000.00 that are heavier and don't flow any better than a $800 US made exhaust. I think some people get blinded by the "you get what you pay for" philosophy and don't look for VALUE, value is more important to me.
In general I most definatly agree that you do get what you pay for, but when you get to a certain level most of that goes out the window. There's some JDM exhaust's that cost over $2000.00 that are heavier and don't flow any better than a $800 US made exhaust. I think some people get blinded by the "you get what you pay for" philosophy and don't look for VALUE, value is more important to me.
Last edited by Frenchy4g63; Dec 16, 2006 at 06:35 PM.
#35
#36
Well said Frenchy, well said.
I was not making fun of your username, but was seeing the connection between name and user.
He said, he tested, he blah blah doesn't add up to a mound of turtle sh.t. Well, may be a very small turtle, but much like the sh.t of the turtle, it's not worth much.
#37
For some reason i absolutely despise these USDM PARTS FOR LIFE!!! people. Calling the entire JDM aspect a bandwagon is hilarious. You drive a japanese car you goofball, respect its roots.
#38
EvobeatsSTI,
The concept behind replacing the stock IC for an aftermarket while retaining the same price is a good idea. What you need to watch out is for intercoolers that are too big for the stock turbo unit.
At one point I had the Nisei intercooler measuring an astonishing 25x13x3.5 and retaining the crash beam, if I am not mistaking it was and still is the largest core around.
Little time it last on my car before I got rid of it, my spool up was the worst spool up I can describe, the max boost dropped a few psi to make matters worst I never improved my times at the track nor my whp/tq on the dyno.
I removed the Nisei intercooler and my car gained a lot on spool up time, also I recall my boost spiking to 31psi.
If you are planning on buying a bigger turbo, then I would say yes otherwise the stock intercooler is more than plenty.
my .2c
Carlos
The concept behind replacing the stock IC for an aftermarket while retaining the same price is a good idea. What you need to watch out is for intercoolers that are too big for the stock turbo unit.
At one point I had the Nisei intercooler measuring an astonishing 25x13x3.5 and retaining the crash beam, if I am not mistaking it was and still is the largest core around.
Little time it last on my car before I got rid of it, my spool up was the worst spool up I can describe, the max boost dropped a few psi to make matters worst I never improved my times at the track nor my whp/tq on the dyno.
I removed the Nisei intercooler and my car gained a lot on spool up time, also I recall my boost spiking to 31psi.
If you are planning on buying a bigger turbo, then I would say yes otherwise the stock intercooler is more than plenty.
my .2c
Carlos
#40
Well said Frenchy, well said.
I was not making fun of your username, but was seeing the connection between name and user.
He said, he tested, he blah blah doesn't add up to a mound of turtle sh.t. Well, may be a very small turtle, but much like the sh.t of the turtle, it's not worth much.
I was not making fun of your username, but was seeing the connection between name and user.
He said, he tested, he blah blah doesn't add up to a mound of turtle sh.t. Well, may be a very small turtle, but much like the sh.t of the turtle, it's not worth much.
Still waiting for ANY proof it performs better than a quality US made intercooler.
#41
EvobeatsSTI,
The concept behind replacing the stock IC for an aftermarket while retaining the same price is a good idea. What you need to watch out is for intercoolers that are too big for the stock turbo unit.
At one point I had the Nisei intercooler measuring an astonishing 25x13x3.5 and retaining the crash beam, if I am not mistaking it was and still is the largest core around.
Little time it last on my car before I got rid of it, my spool up was the worst spool up I can describe, the max boost dropped a few psi to make matters worst I never improved my times at the track nor my whp/tq on the dyno.
I removed the Nisei intercooler and my car gained a lot on spool up time, also I recall my boost spiking to 31psi.
If you are planning on buying a bigger turbo, then I would say yes otherwise the stock intercooler is more than plenty.
my .2c
Carlos
The concept behind replacing the stock IC for an aftermarket while retaining the same price is a good idea. What you need to watch out is for intercoolers that are too big for the stock turbo unit.
At one point I had the Nisei intercooler measuring an astonishing 25x13x3.5 and retaining the crash beam, if I am not mistaking it was and still is the largest core around.
Little time it last on my car before I got rid of it, my spool up was the worst spool up I can describe, the max boost dropped a few psi to make matters worst I never improved my times at the track nor my whp/tq on the dyno.
I removed the Nisei intercooler and my car gained a lot on spool up time, also I recall my boost spiking to 31psi.
If you are planning on buying a bigger turbo, then I would say yes otherwise the stock intercooler is more than plenty.
my .2c
Carlos
did you get tuned after you installed the nisei i/c? probably not right?
#42
Is that what you got from my posts? If so, you didn't read them well enough. Not once did I say US made parts are better than JDM parts, I have quite a few JDM parts on my car as a matter of fact. My point was that just because something is expensive and made in Japan everyone thinks it's soo much better, and that it would be impossible for a US tuner to make a quality part. My response was to the comment that JDM parts are always better than US parts, and that comment was ignorant, if you agree with that statement, then you my friend, are ignorant as well. It you and boscoyo wan't every single part on your car to be made in Japan, fine, more power to you. The smarter consumer would research everything available and pick the best one for their application, no matter what country it's made in.
#43
buschur's race core dorfs their delux. ARC is top notch stuf. I think their full size ic weighs 12.9lbs. buschur's race is more like 30 something i think.
that loss of weight on the front of the car for a car that turns left and right is a HUGE deal.
#44
wow dude. can you read? i said race..
buschur's race core dorfs their delux. ARC is top notch stuf. I think their full size ic weighs 12.9lbs. buschur's race is more like 30 something i think.
that loss of weight on the front of the car for a car that turns left and right is a HUGE deal.
buschur's race core dorfs their delux. ARC is top notch stuf. I think their full size ic weighs 12.9lbs. buschur's race is more like 30 something i think.
that loss of weight on the front of the car for a car that turns left and right is a HUGE deal.
did you really think I would confuse the word "race" with "deluxe" comn, use some comon sense..
I've pretty much said all I can say on this topic, Im going to end up quoting myself from now on, and everyone will still have their opinions, no matter how ignorant they might be. By all means buy the ARC if that's what makes you happy, but even after all the hate I'm getting, no one has shown me anything to prove their point. So, do what you like, it's your car, put whatever you want on it.