I would love to know what the realistic numbers would be for those of us with shltty gas on a reflashed ECU. This car definitely seems to be a complete freak. 350whp on the 05 turbo on a low reading mustang dyno is flat out ridiculous, thats close to 400whp on a dynojet Fully bolt on IX's with alky barely hit 400whp on a dynojet, let alone on pump because the turbo is pushed beyond efficiency range. Most stage 1-4 set ups like this typically produce around around 330-360whp on a DYNOJET, depending on mods and gas, correct me if I'm wrong. I guess the EMS contributes a lot in terms of more power but I wouldn't have guessed 40-50whp.

My main question is what kind of gains can be seen switching from the stock IX turbo to the 20g/LT on low octane gas (91)? From what I've been reading it looks to be possibly 20whp, and maybe 40whp at high boost levels, please chime in Mr. Buschur if this isn't accurate. The results looks good but I wish they were more applicable to the majority of evo's since only a small portion of us use a stand alone ECU.

I was looking to make around 400whp (DJ) on 91oct. using the stock turbo or a stockish turbo like the 20g/LT, but it looks like I shoud keep dreaming or buy a big expensive turbo kit

 

People have asked repeatdley for results on a stock ECU. Although this is nice for most it has been proven that a good custom flash can compete with a good standalone tune. If you are asking for Buschur to test the setup on a stock ECU it likely is not going to happen.

A compare of the White Rabbit 8 would be nice although it has already been shown comparisons of the White Rabbit 8 and a EVO9 turbo. Finding the thread would be fun but either way most of these larger stock turbos have a similar potential on race gas/meth. It was not until the green though that Forced Performance really pushed the bar.

 

I dont know much at all about aem tuning, but i thought i read somewhere that 7* timing on an aem is different then 7* on a flash?

 

Wow.

First of all, I have tested this turbo on the stock ECU, do a search. The test is done, completed and filed.

Next, there is little to no loss of low end power with this turbo, on pump gas or race gas. The midrange and top end or both improved. On pump gas I have gained 20+ whp over the stock turbo of a FREAK car and a 20g-9-5 equipped car. What exactly do you want in a turbo?

If you are searching for that magic turbo that comes with a fairy God parent I hate to inform some of you but you will be waiting a very very long time

This turbo is making 20 whp improvement over even the 20g-9 on pump gas and both cars have gained 40+ whp on race gas. This is with no losses down low.

If you compare this to a GT35R it will kick its *** up to 6,000 rpm and then match it from there up on pump gas. What do you want? A larger turbo than this will not deliver a better power band or more peak power on pump gas in most cases.

Again, Jarrod's car on straight pump with the 3065 made 398 whp, that is a good one. Making 400 whp on straight pump with a GT35r or 3065 is a real accomplishment on our dyno.

The last two cars I have dyno'd with the Green on it on pump gas have made 370 whp with very fast spool up and great torque.

I just don't get it.

BTW, we finished the internally gated ET 50 trim kit today. It got it's butt spanked by the Green turbo AND the 20g-9-5 that was on the car previously. The car made the same HP on pump/alky with the ET 50 Trim as it did before on a 20g-9-5 BUT it lost OVER 100 ft lbs of torque! Not fun to drive anymore.

Wake up and smell the C16

 

I think this is one of the most important statements that seems to be overlooked throughout this thread:

Alot of people seem to be basing the improvement the Green will provide solely on a car that dyno'd REALLY high to begin with. David did a very good job of comparing the turbos side by side, both pump and C16, but the fact remains that the car was an anomoly to begin with.

Average cars on his dyno read alot less on pump. I will go out on a limb and forecast that most cars will probably read close to this one after the install of a Green. Lbs per minute is where the power is made and frankly the stocker for the most part does not deliver high enough air mass consistently. One other thing that I noticed that I found interesting was David's statement that with a little more time the Green would be able to make 370ish on pump whereas the stock was making that same number on racegas. That right there should be enough for most people. If I could run my IX all the time the way it runs on race gas and for only 1700, there is no thinking about it...done deal.

I didnt buy an Evo to have a lag monster and that is probably the average consensus amongst Evo owners. I did that with my WRX and hated every minute of it. My IX ran 12.21 on pump and only slightly better on 100 octane and a lb or 2 more boost. The way its setup now I probably can run 11's on pump on the stocker. For alot of people that is plenty fast, but I always wanted to go faster as a kid and not much has changed since I grew up (relatively anyway). Replacing O2 sensors gets old, and 100 octane unleaded is a waste of time. So with this turbo I can have a nearly stock driving Evo that runs high 11's and lower on pump all day and low 11's on racegas or pump/meth. To me its a no brainer.

Cliffs-this turbo is worth alot more than 20whp over stock and you all know it.


Edit- Looks like David stole my thunder by 30 seconds.

 

It's O.K. John Good post and good points.

 

I think 90% of the people that read this thread know that the LT is going to turn out to be a success.

The only thing stopping most from buying it is the price. I'll bet 50% of the people that read this thing are thinking $1700 is too much money. They think this because the EVO9 turbo can be had for about $500.

Most people dont run C16. Only a handful people run 100 octane. So the majority of your customers are on pump gas and mildly modded. Bang for the buck most of those potential customers wont spend an additional $1200 for a possible 20hp gain. I know you say not to upgrade until you have strung out the stocker but not everyone thinks like that.

For those of you that do run race gas/meth/alchy/EMS this looks like the hot ticket minus the price. It should be noted I'm NOT in the market for a new turbo. I'm just telling you the vibes I get when reading all these threads.

 

ditto. i'm hoping the price will drop down a couple of hundred dollars after the hype dies down.

 

So turbo is worth the money for street and strip compared to others marketed on the VIII and even IX
This young man will always be correct no matter how wrong. My experience with those who use the word context

 

Right now the turbo is on sale for $1599. I don't see it getting any cheaper as time goes on.

Here is the problem. First you have to buy a new EVO9 turbo. Then you have to have a new turbine wheel/shaft made, that takes A LOT of money to begin with for tooling etc., then you have to have a compressor wheel made, same story on it. So you literally have tens of thousands of dollars rapped up getting the wheels made that has to be re-couperated, plus everytime you have a wheel made you buy them again. So now you finally have the parts made you need to do this. Now you have to buy the new turbo to take apart, pay your guy to do that, then machine the turbine housing to fit the new wheel, machine the compressor housing to fit that new wheel, pay to re-assemble and balance the turbo. Then the guy that did all this and invested all his money would like to make a little bit of profit. That's not too much to ask. So he makes a little and has to leave a little room to sell it wholesale to me so I can make a little. You have the guys making the turbine and compressor wheels wanting to make a little, the actual turbo shop (FP) wanting to make a little and then us. It actually adds up quite quickly and unless FP is going to start casting/machining his own turbine/compressor wheels there isn't any other middle me that are going to be dropping out of this equation.

Doesn't take long to understand why a truly GREAT turbo cost $1700.

Don't worry, I'm sure before long some 3rd world country will copy it, put it on Ebay for $199 and drive me and Robert out of business.

Not so easy when you look at it like that.

 

I'm not calling you a thief. I'm sure all stuff costs money. I'm simply saying that the average evo owner looking for a pump gas upgrade will probably go with the EVO9 turbo simply because you get nearly the same pump gas performace for less than half the price.

 

I must have missed the post, but can you provide a link showing a dyno comparing both turbos running pump gas, same boost, etc... ??

 

This is why you want this turbo. This is why I want this turbo. I auto-x and street drive. Almost zero drag racing. I have been waiting for something like this to come out...the only thing that could top it would possibly be this turbo in a ball bearing config...but then surging may become an issue. For bolt on pleasure.....this is the way to go.

 

If you guys want to see pump gas i'll give it to you guys within 3 weeks. I place an order with Jarrod and spend 3000 dollar worth of parts with Burschur. That include the 20G-LT and other mods. My car is currently putting 330whp/310lbs on 23psi on 91 octane. I'll get this turbo install and tune by Tuning Technologies then i'll add the cams in and get it retune.

 

I will give them to ya tomorrow, i am headed to the dyno first thing in the morning