EVO Green/20gLT information and new dyno charts.
Jan 7, 2007 | 04:29 PM
#91
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From: Trinidad, W.I.
A customer of mine has it on his EVO 8 MR with forged internals. I have to say the first impression was stunning! (he visited me for remapping to a suitable basemap for his 680 cc injectors for breaking in his engine) Spool up is VERY good, around 3000 - 3100 RPM it will reach any boost you want to run. Felt VERY strong on a few full throttle runs (didn't pass 4500 RPM) on the same boost as he ran with the std. turbo (about 1.6 bar)[= 23 lb]
I can't hardly wait to see the car back after break-in, to map it to about 2 bar [29 lb] of boost!
Mark.
I can't hardly wait to see the car back after break-in, to map it to about 2 bar [29 lb] of boost!
Mark.
Thanks FP.
Last edited by nix; Jan 7, 2007 at 06:17 PM.
Jan 7, 2007 | 07:58 PM
#92
[QUOTE][/QUOTE]It'll be even more effective in Evo 4-8 than in Evo 9 and give me an edge in AutoX.
Thanks FP.[/quote
I read the Lancer Register thread and nowhere do I see where and how the FPGreen is proven to be an improvement for auto-x racing over the TME turbo which you already have on your car. I bought one(an FP EvoGreen) for my car but I don´t auto-x, but if I did, I would have just kept running the JDM RS turbo with TiAl turbine wheel which I have now on my car.
Thanks FP.
[/quoteI read the Lancer Register thread and nowhere do I see where and how the FPGreen is proven to be an improvement for auto-x racing over the TME turbo which you already have on your car. I bought one(an FP EvoGreen) for my car but I don´t auto-x, but if I did, I would have just kept running the JDM RS turbo with TiAl turbine wheel which I have now on my car.
Last edited by sparky; Jan 7, 2007 at 08:00 PM.
Jan 7, 2007 | 09:48 PM
#93
Jan 7, 2007 | 10:15 PM
#94
Sparky did
I was wrestling with the same dilemma that you are, Soon2B..., about trying to run an FP Green which I ordered, on the stock injectors. My reasoning was that since Alky fuel tables in general, tend to be leaner than pump gas fuel tables, that maybe I could get away with running leaner AFR´s with the Evogreen and the stock injectors on an Alky map.
I even carried this line of reasoning one step further...I figured that even if I decided not to run alky, that maybe I could get away with running the EvoGreen in conjunction with the stock injectors at boost levels up to 27#, if I did it on race gas, since race gas allows for tuning leaner AFR´s than pump gas does.
Then I spoke to Robert at Forced Performance and he told me that during testing of the EvoGreen, on his Evo IX(w/stock cams, I think), the stock injectors go static at about 22#(or maybe he said 21#, I can´t remember) of boost.
I, myself decided WTF, I´d better play it safe. So I´m gonna throw in some 720's that I have sitting around the garage and have my ECU scaled. Better safe than sorry. That way whether or not I decide to do Alky...my motor won´t run the risk of leaning out and detonating to hell.
Or look at it this way...your 20G-LT compressor wil be moving a comparable amount of air to a Garrett 3071 or a 50-trim, and I wouldn´t trust the stock injectors on either one of those two turbos.
I even carried this line of reasoning one step further...I figured that even if I decided not to run alky, that maybe I could get away with running the EvoGreen in conjunction with the stock injectors at boost levels up to 27#, if I did it on race gas, since race gas allows for tuning leaner AFR´s than pump gas does.
Then I spoke to Robert at Forced Performance and he told me that during testing of the EvoGreen, on his Evo IX(w/stock cams, I think), the stock injectors go static at about 22#(or maybe he said 21#, I can´t remember) of boost.
I, myself decided WTF, I´d better play it safe. So I´m gonna throw in some 720's that I have sitting around the garage and have my ECU scaled. Better safe than sorry. That way whether or not I decide to do Alky...my motor won´t run the risk of leaning out and detonating to hell.
Or look at it this way...your 20G-LT compressor wil be moving a comparable amount of air to a Garrett 3071 or a 50-trim, and I wouldn´t trust the stock injectors on either one of those two turbos.
Jan 8, 2007 | 05:02 AM
#95
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From: Trinidad, W.I.
... I read the Lancer Register thread and nowhere do I see where and how the FPGreen is proven to be an improvement for auto-x racing over the TME turbo which you already have on your car. I bought one(an FP EvoGreen) for my car but I don´t auto-x, but if I did, I would have just kept running the JDM RS turbo with TiAl turbine wheel which I have now on my car.
The reference was made in response to this post...
Thats a steep price and little gain for a 20g on a ix
Since I run an E6 RS2... then my comment seems accurate for my application.
LT's larger snail + new compressor wheel + new turbine wheel makes more torque in the mid-to-upper range than my "10.5" TME RS turbo. That, plus LT produces surge-free torque with a stock E9 actuator. Smooth torque delivery will compliment my proposed suspension/rim/tyre setup. It will definately be an advantage in AutoX to me.
My $0.02¢
Last edited by nix; Jan 8, 2007 at 06:02 AM.
Jan 8, 2007 | 10:24 AM
#96
But I do think you are getting what you pay for in that you are getting a whole new turbo. I can't imagine any brand new turbo being much cheaper. What I think would make this the "perfect turbo" was if you could somehow send in a core like the old 20G-9-5. That would bring the price down enough to justify the gains and then some. I am sure this is very unpractical though for FP and Buschur otherwise I am sure they would be doing this. Just too bad it isnt an option. I think that would put an end to any of the "not worth the money" talk. Just my opinion though....
That is a very expensive 20WHP.
Jan 8, 2007 | 04:37 PM
#98
What I think would make this the "perfect turbo" was if you could somehow send in a core like the old 20G-9-5. That would bring the price down enough to justify the gains and then some. I am sure this is very unpractical though for FP and Buschur otherwise I am sure they would be doing this. Just too bad it isnt an option. I think that would put an end to any of the "not worth the money" talk. Just my opinion though....
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Jan 8, 2007 | 05:30 PM
#99
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Jan 8, 2007 | 05:38 PM
#100
I read the Lancer Register thread and nowhere do I see where and how the FPGreen is proven to be an improvement for auto-x racing over the TME turbo which you already have on your car. I bought one(an FP EvoGreen) for my car but I don´t auto-x, but if I did, I would have just kept running the JDM RS turbo with TiAl turbine wheel which I have now on my car.
It will be better, at least on a well-prepped autocross car, because you will be able to make alot more power with only minimal lag compromises.
Now, if you just have a mild daily driver on street tires that you also autocross, pass on the turbo, save your money and buy some Kumhos or Hoosiers. Great tires will make you much faster than an extra 30-50whp.
EVOlutionary
Jan 8, 2007 | 06:07 PM
#101
Prayers answered ... look here:
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Jan 8, 2007 | 06:38 PM
#103
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Watch the BCS or disassemble turbine.....
Jan 9, 2007 | 08:27 AM
#105
Taken from the site:
We are happy to offer this "EXCHANGE" version of the FP EVOGreen model turbocharger.
This version of the turbocharger offers the same exact flow and parts specifications, but lets the customer send in their stock EVO9 turbo or previously upgraded EVO9 turbo to save money.
Here is how it works:
Option 1: The customer supplies a stock EVO9 turbocharger core in good condition. The stock EVO9 turbocharger is completely rebuilt and blueprinted using the larger EVOGreen compressor and turbine wheels. The same actuator found on the supplied core is used to build this turbocharger.
Option 2: The customer supplies EVO9 White Rabbit or other EVO9 based upgrade turbocharger previously built at FP. This turbocharger is completely rebuilt and blueprinted using the customer supplied compressor section and the larger EVOGreen turbine wheel and shaft. The customer supplied actuator is also used to build this turbocharger. Obviously Option 2 costs less.
From time to time we have these "EXCHANGE" versions of the turbo ready to ship. If you would like to have your "EXCHANGE EVOGreen" turbo prior to removing your old turbo from your car, then you can pay an additional $300 for a "CORE CHARGE" and be able to remove your old turbo and install your EVOGreen at the same time. Then send the "CORE" back for credit!
If you have questions about the exchange process, give us a call and we will explain it all to you and help you get your order placed properly. 972-984-1800
We are happy to offer this "EXCHANGE" version of the FP EVOGreen model turbocharger.
This version of the turbocharger offers the same exact flow and parts specifications, but lets the customer send in their stock EVO9 turbo or previously upgraded EVO9 turbo to save money.
Here is how it works:
Option 1: The customer supplies a stock EVO9 turbocharger core in good condition. The stock EVO9 turbocharger is completely rebuilt and blueprinted using the larger EVOGreen compressor and turbine wheels. The same actuator found on the supplied core is used to build this turbocharger.
Option 2: The customer supplies EVO9 White Rabbit or other EVO9 based upgrade turbocharger previously built at FP. This turbocharger is completely rebuilt and blueprinted using the customer supplied compressor section and the larger EVOGreen turbine wheel and shaft. The customer supplied actuator is also used to build this turbocharger. Obviously Option 2 costs less.
From time to time we have these "EXCHANGE" versions of the turbo ready to ship. If you would like to have your "EXCHANGE EVOGreen" turbo prior to removing your old turbo from your car, then you can pay an additional $300 for a "CORE CHARGE" and be able to remove your old turbo and install your EVOGreen at the same time. Then send the "CORE" back for credit!
If you have questions about the exchange process, give us a call and we will explain it all to you and help you get your order placed properly. 972-984-1800