Rutt

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Where are you getting your prices? If GT42's are costing you $2500 then the T51KAI has to be in the $4000~$4500 range. GT42's can be purchased for as low as $1600 if you do some searching. MSRP on a T51KAI is $3100.


I will apologize to the forum because I am the person who suggested using something from the GT42 line over the grossly overpriced HKS T51 series.

kouzman

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The T51R KAI is the small turbo of the series. It would match the smallest of the GT42s...

The big brother is the T51R SPL BB... this is a true 1000 horsepower turbo. if i remember correctly it has 1.02 a/r... the price of the hks turbos is simply too much...

this is how big the T51R SPL looks like on a 2 liter engine...


the SPL has 76.5mm compressor inducer and the KAI 70mm
the SPL has 102.2mm compressor major and the KAI 94mm

the turbine is the same...

Now you can compare it to the GT42R versions better!!!

Rutt

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For the fuel system you might want to check with AMS since they offer a 1000hp fuel SYSTEM. Think system instead of just pumps.

Fuel pump(s)
Fuel line(s)
Regulator
Filter
Fittings

Over here in JDM land, most of the high horsepower street cars use a surge tank setup. There are two different systems.

Intank feeder pump that supplies fuel to a fuel pump(s) inside of the collector tank.
Intank feeder pump that supplies fuel to the collector tank that feeds an inline pump.

The Japanese think collector tanks are better than sumps but in actually the collector tank is just an outboard sump that helps prevent fuel starvation during hard accelaration/decelation and corning.

I am sure you guys have seen these setups because the Runduce EVO has a collector tank mounted in front of it's fuel cell.

Frenchy4g63

Another differance between the HKS T51 series and the Garrett gt42r is that HKS machines a compressor inlet velocity stack to help with compressor efficiency. Full Race also does this on their versions of Garrett turbo's. It helps efficiency about 1% or so.

TTOPPOUZI

Thanks for your coms.I am trying to reach TTP Engin to buy the Fluidampr but i haven't got any response yet and i need it by 3rd Jan due to that we are finishing the car and hopefully by end of Jan the car will go on dyno.I run Tomei cams and the engine is full,not a screw left that it is not change into racing products.The think is that my tuner insists in buying the T51R KAI BB,and my most parts are from HKS.I was told that the T51R KAI is a little more aggressive than the GT42R and a liitle smaller in size also,due to that the car will be driven in the road also.

I hope the other membs coms won't come true and nothing will break.

TTOPPOUZI

I got these prices from Cyprus tuners and some shops in USA.I think one Jap shop if i remember correct has those prices given to me to import it to Cyprus.

About fuel,i have the fuel lines,fuel rail,one BBK in the tank and one BOSCH 044 out,and an aeromotive regulator.

I saw AMS fuel system it is very good but it is a little overcosted.

Now i realised that you are not fun of the HKS turbines .Is it only because they are too much expensive?

TTOPPOUZI

Can you finds any pics or videos with T51R KAI BB on evos?

evo_08

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i dont know what u guys are building this cars for but eddie (proccoevo)is traping mid 140s on a gt40 i have a 35r with a 67wheel and the car is a animal at 35psi

dryad001

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Then why come on here and ask questions if theres shops you can locally call and get info from? All your threads lately sound like you have no clue what to do.

evo_08

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what ign. system ur gona run? also what ems?

Rutt

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Actually, I like the HKS turbos because they were making Hybrids (T4/T3) for a very long time. Many people in the Honda crowd think they are innovators because they used a t4/t3 hybrid but the HKS T300S (TO4S/T3) has been in production since the early 90's. My main complaints pertain to HKS's pricing and quirky little differences in designs. The HKS TO4S uses an oddball compressor blade setup. The inducer and exducer for the blade are exactly like a 60-1 but it uses the back spacing of a 62-1. Now, that is plain STUPID!! This design is obviously used to ensure that only overpriced HKS parts are used since the T04S blade cost 4 times more than a 60-1. HKS has no choice but to lower the price of their products because there are too many alternatives available now. Actually, most Japanese companies need to lower their pricing. Thanks to US companies many Japanese companies have lowered their prices drastically. FMIC kits that once sold for $3000 are now selling for as low as $800~$1000. Exhaust setups that required remortaging the homestead are now selling for mere pennies.

HKS does make good products but I am thankful that the Garrett USA provides products that perform just as well (or better) at less cost.

Since I am using a T67/T3 on my Honduh, I will most like install the T300S on my EVO after I gather some more parts.

jmartinez1170

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A GT42 or GT42R prices range from $1000-2200 non ball bearing GT45R only comes in ball bearing which is $2000-2500 theses prices range on how much money the shop wants to make i really cant tell how much shops get it for.


The hks turbo is around $3000 the cheapest

jmartinez1170

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If you didnt know AMS drag car doesnt use this kit they use a ext. pump thats why it sounds like a airplane inside the car. Watch there videos.

jmartinez1170

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Thats all in driver and traction.

The ams and B/R cars should be in low 8's high 7's by now with there power.

Rutt

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I'm in Japan so I have no idea what the actual AMS car uses but I do know their 1000hp fuel setup kit uses an intank Walbro to feeds an inline Walbro.