.... that was funny!

 

Ive done it..

every time i pour race gas in my car, the car gets richer. which i have to lean it out a good bit to bring it back to normal.

hence you cant just poor race gas in non-tuned car..

 

Dan@machv,

Interesting, 1 gallon of "oil" to procuce 1.3 gallons of E85 and then you burn up 30% more...........doesn't seem like such a green solution after all. The same thing is happening in those oil sand fields in Canada. The energy that has to be produced/used to make the oil is just mind boggling. ONE of the dump trucks uses 900 gallons of diesel a day and there are like 15 trucks running all day.....seems crazy. Shows how much profit there is in producing oil.

It doesn't even make running E85 a good arguement against the terrorist money our oil dollars go to if 1.3 gallons of E85 means we still use 1 gallon of oil products. Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeiiitt.

I still want to try it. It's cheaper and better for the environment than leaded C16.

 

^ Not to mention you're not giving the dirka dirkas any american money, which is a very good thing.

 

just think if they stream lined the industry using E85 rather then diesel!!!

 

http://www.rune85.com/turbocobra.htm

You will see a cobra making 900+ hp on a Corn Fuel...E85, I got a ride in this thing when it made 750 to the wheel on the street and it was crazy..

David is it possable to run the stock ecu w/ 1000 cc injectors and have it tuned on E85 for a 50 trim?

 

I dont see why you wouldnt be able to run 1000cc injectors.. As long as you scale them correctly, it shouldnt be too too hard.

 

It is difficult to do everything right. These days, when taking strides to try and lower one's impact on the environment, almost all of the solutions are two-steps forward and one-step back. Even for people who use soy as an alternative to dairy (because of the treatment of cows, chemicals, and real estate) are actually having a devastating impact on Brazilian rainforests as thousands of acres of rainforest are cut down for soy plantations.

So, even though the development of E-85 is nowhere near as efficient as gasoline, I still think it is a step in the right direction. Is it the ultimate solution? No, but it is a good idea for the time-being.

 

I have not personally seen 1,000 cc injectors work well with the stock ECU. I don't see it happening.

 

not to mention HP goals, from what the numbers says a 50 trim needs 990cc injectors if your pushing 500hp...but thats with BSFC of 0.80, 100% IDC and stock fuel pressure. thats kinda too on the edge for me...but hey thats just math right..lol

 

Pm me bro we live by each other i will tell you were you can get it. By the way were you doing dounts in sears parking lot last night

 

False information put out by Dr. David Pimentel (a freaking entomologist, not a chemist) taking grants from the oil companies. The guy is a quack who will say what ever he is paid to say.

Even using corn (a poor source for ethanol compared to sugar beets or sugar cane) you get one third more energy out of the ethanol than goes into the production of that ethanol. Most of that energy used is electric in nature, and half of the electricity produced in the US is from domestic coal, not to mention Nuclear, wind, and hydroelectric... all of which are domestic rather than sending money to other countries.

New ethanol plants are being built even more efficient than the older plants, using the left over bio-mass from the corn to help with the heating of the vats and such to reduce electric usage, and up the energy ballance even further.

Keith

 

It isn't 1.3 gallons of ethanol for one gallon of oil, it is 1.3 times the energy available in the ethanol for the use of 1 unit of energy in the production of the ethanol. And that 1 unit of energy used in the production of ethanol can come from "clean" sources like wind, hydro or Nuclear rather than fosil fuels.

Keith

 

I am really caught up on this E85 now. Going to apply for a permit to produce the fuel myself. Home built still.

I have done so much reading in the last few days. Here are some actual facts for ethanol to get it all straight.

Corn is on of the least efficient crops to produce ethanol from.

They talk in units of energy when speaking of making ethanol. So for example, it takes one unit of energy to produce 1.4 units of ethanol from corn. Corn will make about 330 gallons of ethanol per acre of land.

It takes 1 unit of energy to produce 8 units of ethanol from sugarcane.

In France they use sugar beats to produce ethanol and that gives over 700 gallons per acre.

Switchgrass which is a tall prairie grass and native to US produces 1,000 gallons per acre.

Another grass that can be grown in the US is miscanthus, it can produce as much as 1500 gallons per acre.

The good thing about corn is there are byproducts that can be used for other things. Like feed for animals and fuel to make heat to make ethanol.

It's very interesting. The fuel is much less dangerous to the environment. It's not poisonous ( the gasoline is that's in it).

I found it quite interesting that you can get a permit for making it. If I could get the switchgrass or miscanthus to grow here I could make enough fuel on some spare property I have to supply myself for a few years. Not sure I am up to doing that much work but it might be cool to make a few hundred gallons a year just for the heck of doing it.

 

If you could make it, could you make it more potent?

Maybe run 100% straight ethanol?

Or at least in the warmer temps, when you dont need the gasoline to help start the motor.

I've heard of gas stations selling E100, but I've never seen it anywhere.