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Old Apr 9, 2007 | 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DS-03evo
What about 100% denatured alcohol, that is not corrosive right? Not sure if it is as good for power though...
denatured alcohol aka alky contains ethanol + denaturing/fouling agents to make it undrinkable.

eg denaturing/flouling agents:
-methyl ethyl ketone
-acetone
-dichloromethane
-methanol
-bittering agents
check the label, if it contains the 1st 3 compounds, do not use it as it will degrade the seals and pump diaphgram-how ever little it is

ethanol and methanol has similar octane number and latent heat of vaporization except complete burn for
-methanol = 6.5lb air to 1lb methanol
-ethanol = ~9lb air to 1lb ethanol
should be able to acheive the same result with either
Old Apr 9, 2007 | 07:45 PM
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One thing I've always wondered about the 50/50 vs. 100% meth debate is how many people have tested the two against each other without changing the volume of meth injected? For example, would 350 cc/min meth plus 350 cc/min water (50/50 mix) make less power than just 350 cc/meth (100% meth)? I don't think so. I think the 50/50 mix would make more. The meth would increase the octane and the water would cool the charge. At some point, the water is going to start causing misfires, but assuming a robust ignition system I can't see how the water would do anything other than help provided that the mixture were adequately leaned out. Thus, it would seem to always be better to inject a mixture. When someone does a 50/50 vs. 100% test and keeps the amount of meth injected constant while also leaning out the mixture for the extra water, then I'll be convinced. But thus far, the comparisons aren't valid IMO. Also, for those saying that 70/30 isn't flammable, anything over 25% meth is deemed flammable by industry standards (National Fire Protection Association).
Old Apr 9, 2007 | 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Soon2BEVO
I think we need some real scientific data that is relevant to our applications to show us which is the right way to go. Way too much speculation
agreed, this topic is too much 50/50 from corrosive to non corrosive and straight meth gives more power to mix gives same power
Old Apr 9, 2007 | 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by EVO8LTW
One thing I've always wondered about the 50/50 vs. 100% meth debate is how many people have tested the two against each other without changing the volume of meth injected? For example, would 350 cc/min meth plus 350 cc/min water (50/50 mix) make less power than just 350 cc/meth (100% meth)? I don't think so. I think the 50/50 mix would make more. The meth would increase the octane and the water would cool the charge. At some point, the water is going to start causing misfires, but assuming a robust ignition system I can't see how the water would do anything other than help provided that the mixture were adequately leaned out. Thus, it would seem to always be better to inject a mixture. When someone does a 50/50 vs. 100% test and keeps the amount of meth injected constant while also leaning out the mixture for the extra water, then I'll be convinced. But thus far, the comparisons aren't valid IMO. Also, for those saying that 70/30 isn't flammable, anything over 25% meth is deemed flammable by industry standards (National Fire Protection Association).
70/30 ...didn't say it wasn't flammable...not as volatile as 100%...

I'm sticking with my 100% ...who's coming with me
Old Apr 9, 2007 | 08:08 PM
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i've been both ends, 100% water and now 100% methanol...never in between, 50/50
Old Apr 9, 2007 | 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by SlowCar
i've been both ends, 100% water and now 100% methanol...never in between, 50/50
water was whack, 50/50...with same tune didn't feel as good, didn't have an option to tweak tune...100% has been golden on this car and my prior car on meth.
Old Apr 9, 2007 | 08:16 PM
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when you go 50/50, water having very high latent heat of vaporization, you will have to tune high afr

what was your afr running 50/50?
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it was not logged...
Old Apr 9, 2007 | 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by SlowCar
denatured alcohol aka alky contains ethanol + denaturing/fouling agents to make it undrinkable.

eg denaturing/flouling agents:
-methyl ethyl ketone
-acetone
-dichloromethane
-methanol
-bittering agents
check the label, if it contains the 1st 3 compounds, do not use it as it will degrade the seals and pump diaphgram-how ever little it is

ethanol and methanol has similar octane number and latent heat of vaporization except complete burn for
-methanol = 6.5lb air to 1lb methanol
-ethanol = ~9lb air to 1lb ethanol
should be able to acheive the same result with either
Hey thanks for clearing that up, good info.
Old Apr 9, 2007 | 10:18 PM
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i ran afrs from 11.5 to 12.5 typically, i tried a lot of different combos...
Old Apr 23, 2007 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Ultimate CC
i ran afrs from 11.5 to 12.5 typically, i tried a lot of different combos...
What did you find to make the most power?
Old May 22, 2007 | 09:15 PM
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Quick question, where can I find meth locally? And is there a specific type/brand of meth that needs to be used for auto's?
Old May 23, 2007 | 04:26 PM
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just go to any tuner..they should carry it, i wouldnt know for u cause im across the country
Old May 23, 2007 | 11:21 PM
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i run 50/50 made more power same dyno/tune day than a few other evos with 100% meth and more mods, so theres no saying 100% makes more power
Old May 24, 2007 | 02:53 PM
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i would have to see it to believe it



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