Stock shortblock, stock head, new record numbers for the EVO Green turbo
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I dont doubt that an AEM can make more power than the stock ECU at its current level of development in the aftermarket area, but its not from having "exact control" especially in relation to the factory computer. Its on the contrary actually. AEM knock setup is a joke compared to the stock ECU's routine which is obviously extremely conservative and at the present not adjustable. Power delta between the two is 1. getting rid of the stock maf in its stock location and 2. aforementioned knock control on the AEM which is user adjustable or even disabled with a single check box.
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a418, the AEM knock control is a joke? Dude, please leave the thread...........
I am so tired of stupid people.
Please one of you know-it-alls come to my shop and put me in my place as an ignorant back woods redneck who knows nothing. All you have to do it make more power than I can with the stock ECU compared to what I will make with the AEM or even a Power FC.
I love how I somehow am stupid enough to continue to argue with people who know nothing.............I must really be the dumb one.
Unless one of you take me up on my challenge and win, STFU and go away.
Thank you and have a nice day.
I am so tired of stupid people.
Please one of you know-it-alls come to my shop and put me in my place as an ignorant back woods redneck who knows nothing. All you have to do it make more power than I can with the stock ECU compared to what I will make with the AEM or even a Power FC.
I love how I somehow am stupid enough to continue to argue with people who know nothing.............I must really be the dumb one.
Unless one of you take me up on my challenge and win, STFU and go away.
Thank you and have a nice day.
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a418, the AEM knock control is a joke? Dude, please leave the thread...........
I am so tired of stupid people.
Please one of you know-it-alls come to my shop and put me in my place as an ignorant back woods redneck who knows nothing. All you have to do it make more power than I can with the stock ECU compared to what I will make with the AEM or even a Power FC.
I love how I somehow am stupid enough to continue to argue with people who know nothing.............I must really be the dumb one.
Unless one of you take me up on my challenge and win, STFU and go away.
Thank you and have a nice day.
I am so tired of stupid people.
Please one of you know-it-alls come to my shop and put me in my place as an ignorant back woods redneck who knows nothing. All you have to do it make more power than I can with the stock ECU compared to what I will make with the AEM or even a Power FC.
I love how I somehow am stupid enough to continue to argue with people who know nothing.............I must really be the dumb one.
Unless one of you take me up on my challenge and win, STFU and go away.
Thank you and have a nice day.
I'm on your side on this one....I can only imagine what you must be feeling now..... with all the internet "experts" telling you stuff about the AEM
But till then, you keep on doing what you do best, keep on making the numbers and breaking the records and let the stupid people continue being stupid...
Hey by the way, I'm thinking of sending this in to get ported out .....
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Hey Dave, thanks again for the testing results. I believe the Issue with the AEM is the sheer cost of the darn thing, plus the cost of tuning it. I have no doubt in my mind the AEM EMS is better then the stock ECU, but is it really 2K+++ better? It has also been explained to me that throttle response is somewhat compromised over the OEM MAF setup as well. There are a LOT of tuners advertising the fact that they can install and tune these things without issues, and NONE taking responsibility when then Motor blows and then they blame the customer for racing too hard or you made TOO much power . dave you also mentioned that the OEM ECU pulls too much timing, maybe there is a reason why it is doing it besides Phantom Knock.
One thing I know 100% for sure, the ratio of cars blowing up with the standalone is MUCH larger over the flashed cars. Venders just want to push this thing as it is a high cost item and is very popular they have to be able to tune it as well. IDK how many venders are now "tuners" and offer deals which I view as Russian Rulete with someone elses car. My buddy just had his Evo blow up last week from massive detonation with an AEM EMS. the WELL KNOWN Vender took no responsibility for building and tuning the car and completely blamed the driver, who only ran a 12.0 @ 120MPH with a GT35R and METH!!!!! The piston split in Two, that is detonation. All the tuner stated that he was making too much power, please.
I believe that it is the fault of the tuner and since I live in central NJ, you can GUESS who does the tuning around here.
One thing I know 100% for sure, the ratio of cars blowing up with the standalone is MUCH larger over the flashed cars. Venders just want to push this thing as it is a high cost item and is very popular they have to be able to tune it as well. IDK how many venders are now "tuners" and offer deals which I view as Russian Rulete with someone elses car. My buddy just had his Evo blow up last week from massive detonation with an AEM EMS. the WELL KNOWN Vender took no responsibility for building and tuning the car and completely blamed the driver, who only ran a 12.0 @ 120MPH with a GT35R and METH!!!!! The piston split in Two, that is detonation. All the tuner stated that he was making too much power, please.
I believe that it is the fault of the tuner and since I live in central NJ, you can GUESS who does the tuning around here.
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a418, the AEM knock control is a joke? Dude, please leave the thread...........
I am so tired of stupid people.
Please one of you know-it-alls come to my shop and put me in my place as an ignorant back woods redneck who knows nothing. All you have to do it make more power than I can with the stock ECU compared to what I will make with the AEM or even a Power FC.
I love how I somehow am stupid enough to continue to argue with people who know nothing.............I must really be the dumb one.
Unless one of you take me up on my challenge and win, STFU and go away.
Thank you and have a nice day.
I am so tired of stupid people.
Please one of you know-it-alls come to my shop and put me in my place as an ignorant back woods redneck who knows nothing. All you have to do it make more power than I can with the stock ECU compared to what I will make with the AEM or even a Power FC.
I love how I somehow am stupid enough to continue to argue with people who know nothing.............I must really be the dumb one.
Unless one of you take me up on my challenge and win, STFU and go away.
Thank you and have a nice day.
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Bit off-topic but... how is AEM's knock control?
I use Autronic but have some friends thinking of going with AEM.... what can I tell them about it's knock control for use with a built motor?
I use Autronic but have some friends thinking of going with AEM.... what can I tell them about it's knock control for use with a built motor?
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I think the EMS you choose is all about the tuner. One of the better performing stock turbo cars out here is Aby's (WOT) Evo with a TME and HKS cams put down 360+ whp on 91 pump using an AEM. Granted, he tunes race engines for a living, but he can tune the crap out of that thing. He almost had me scrambling to get a used AEM for my EvoGreen. Hell, at somepoint I may try an AEM with him tuning it just to see what the heck he can do. If he can get 360 out of a TME on 91, imagine what he could do with an EvoGreen
Bottom line, don't just find yourself a good tuner. Find yourself a brilliant tuner, and everything else will be gravy.
Bottom line, don't just find yourself a good tuner. Find yourself a brilliant tuner, and everything else will be gravy.