My First Tune @ DSG
#16
I love EvoM. Once again comparing dyno numbers from day to day, car to car and dyno to dyno is pretty useless.
However knowing your A/F values are spot on across the map in realtime is worth the tune IMHO.
However knowing your A/F values are spot on across the map in realtime is worth the tune IMHO.
#17
Shameless, unless it rains I'll be up there next Sat. to get re-dynoed so we'll see if something is up with your car or if they changed the settings on their dyno.
#18
Shameless,
Congrat with the tune! Don't worry too much about the power. Your numbers are right along the lines with what IX's should be making on DD w/ old (low-number) software. I am sure that DSG guys did a good job on your car! They are very trustworthy guys.
Congrat with the tune! Don't worry too much about the power. Your numbers are right along the lines with what IX's should be making on DD w/ old (low-number) software. I am sure that DSG guys did a good job on your car! They are very trustworthy guys.
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I definitely think something is up with my car... here's some history:
I started out my mods by putting in a K&N Drop In Filter, Forge UNOS MBC, and a Helix 3" HFC and Catback. At this point, I ran an EvoScan log and used DLL to get a Dyno Chart... at the time, it was showing 269whp
My next mod was the Helix 3" DP, now EvoScan/DLL is showing 288whp
Next was my Walbro 255 and Jestr Flash, now EvoScan/DLL is showing 328whp
I logged this setup 3-4 times on different days, and got 0, 1, or 2 knock... nothing major.
I went to the drag strip and was upset to run a best of 13.2. I decided to log my car and got 5-6 counts of knock. I ran another EvoScan/DLL, and it's showing 282whp!!!!!
At this point, I was upset and confused... I thought I had bad gas or a bad tune or both... so I put on a test pipe and K&N cone filter and went to DSG yesterday and ended up with 262whp.
CAN ANYONE SHED SOME LIGHT ON WHAT THE HELL MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED????
I started out my mods by putting in a K&N Drop In Filter, Forge UNOS MBC, and a Helix 3" HFC and Catback. At this point, I ran an EvoScan log and used DLL to get a Dyno Chart... at the time, it was showing 269whp
My next mod was the Helix 3" DP, now EvoScan/DLL is showing 288whp
Next was my Walbro 255 and Jestr Flash, now EvoScan/DLL is showing 328whp
I logged this setup 3-4 times on different days, and got 0, 1, or 2 knock... nothing major.
I went to the drag strip and was upset to run a best of 13.2. I decided to log my car and got 5-6 counts of knock. I ran another EvoScan/DLL, and it's showing 282whp!!!!!
At this point, I was upset and confused... I thought I had bad gas or a bad tune or both... so I put on a test pipe and K&N cone filter and went to DSG yesterday and ended up with 262whp.
CAN ANYONE SHED SOME LIGHT ON WHAT THE HELL MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED????
Last edited by recompile; May 20, 2007 at 07:20 AM.
#20
I would say that your evo needs some attnetion though..... Get a Compression Test, and Boost Leak test. Check for exhuast leaks and go from there. I have never seen Matt tune an EVO, but I have seen him tune and build plenty of honda, 240s and so on. I mean for christ sake he made CHROME for OBD1 Hondas! So there is no questioning his ability. Dont be so quick to blame the tuner if you havent Doubled check your car.
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I went to the drag strip and was upset to run a best of 13.2. I decided to log my car and got 5-6 counts of knock. I ran another EvoScan/DLL, and it's showing 282whp!!!!!
At this point, I was upset and confused... I thought I had bad gas or a bad tune or both... so I put on a test pipe and K&N cone filter and went to DSG yesterday and ended up with 262whp.
CAN ANYONE SHED SOME LIGHT ON WHAT THE HELL MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED????
Do you have any guages in your car? If so whats your idle vac at? does it stutter or stumble going up a hill?
#23
#24
You definitely don't see IXs making this power on the Buschur Mustang Dyno or Vishnu DynoDynamics, and those two read as low as any dyno in the country. I am not one to put a big emphasis on dyno numbers, but this guy already ran terribly at the track and blamed his tune, so he got a retune, but the retune was on a dyno and shows again that he has very little power. Therefore, I think something is wrong. You should not tell the guy his power is normal when it's nowhere close to normal...
Originally Posted by spooldyou
I would say that your evo needs some attnetion though..... Get a Compression Test, and Boost Leak test. Check for exhuast leaks and go from there.
Originally Posted by spooldyou
Dont be so quick to blame the tuner if you havent Doubled check your car.
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I just did a compression test... 125/125/125/125 There's essentially no variance... I tried putting a few drops of oil in one cylinder to see if the pressure rose, and it didn't... exactly 125 again.
I did an oil change (my 4th in 9000mi) and replaced the plugs with factory NGK's on Thursday, so everything would be tip-top for the tune... So that's not the culprit...
I don't think it's fuel delivery because my AFR were solid where they should be after the tune...
That leaves me with what? Boost leak?
I did an oil change (my 4th in 9000mi) and replaced the plugs with factory NGK's on Thursday, so everything would be tip-top for the tune... So that's not the culprit...
I don't think it's fuel delivery because my AFR were solid where they should be after the tune...
That leaves me with what? Boost leak?
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I may attempt a boost leak test today... I've never done one, so I've been searching around.
I may try this:
Should this be sufficient ?
I may try this:
Originally Posted by whitey4d
the easiest way that I haev found to boost test is to simply remove ur intake. buy a 2.5" fernco butt cap from lowes or home depot. cap off the turbo. then I remove the hose coming off my MBC that goes into the compressor outlet and blow the compressed air in there. Thats just my way tho. hope it helps.
#28
Never heard of doing a boost leak test that way - does that actually work?
You normally pressurize through the turbo inlet like this:
http://vfaq.com/mods/ICtester.html
You normally pressurize through the turbo inlet like this:
http://vfaq.com/mods/ICtester.html
#29
Not really. If their dyno was recalibrated to the old school specs since I was there back in March, then that would explain it somewhat. If it hasnt been recalibrated to read like the oldschool Vishnu and Dynoformance dyno dynamics dynos, then you may have an issue somewhere with your car.
The reason I suspect their dyno to read like the newschool DD dynos is because I saw a IX put down 240 whp and 255-260 wtq at The Shop bone stock. Both of their DD dynos are newer and both probably are not set in heartbraker mode.
I would inspect your car for problems somewhere.
The reason I suspect their dyno to read like the newschool DD dynos is because I saw a IX put down 240 whp and 255-260 wtq at The Shop bone stock. Both of their DD dynos are newer and both probably are not set in heartbraker mode.
I would inspect your car for problems somewhere.
#30
Shameless, are you sure the fuel pump is installed correctly? I'm being serious because I have seen it where the assembly was not assembled with the white piece at the top of the pump or fitted together tightly with a snap. It caused irregularities in fuel delivery. Just making sure all areas of possible error are addressed.