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Old May 20, 2007 | 05:57 AM
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I love EvoM. Once again comparing dyno numbers from day to day, car to car and dyno to dyno is pretty useless.

However knowing your A/F values are spot on across the map in realtime is worth the tune IMHO.

Old May 20, 2007 | 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by wingless
I love EvoM. Once again comparing dyno numbers from day to day, car to car and dyno to dyno is pretty useless.

However knowing your A/F values are spot on across the map in realtime is worth the tune IMHO.

Hmmm, lets see. I dynoed 247hp, 250tq stock on their Dyno with 18 psi tapering to 15 psi on a warmer day. Shameless dynos 262 hp on the same dyno with tbe and a tune on a slightly cooler day and something's not wrong with that picture? Doesnt sound right to me.

Shameless, unless it rains I'll be up there next Sat. to get re-dynoed so we'll see if something is up with your car or if they changed the settings on their dyno.
Old May 20, 2007 | 07:11 AM
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Shameless,

Congrat with the tune! Don't worry too much about the power. Your numbers are right along the lines with what IX's should be making on DD w/ old (low-number) software. I am sure that DSG guys did a good job on your car! They are very trustworthy guys.
Old May 20, 2007 | 07:15 AM
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I definitely think something is up with my car... here's some history:

I started out my mods by putting in a K&N Drop In Filter, Forge UNOS MBC, and a Helix 3" HFC and Catback. At this point, I ran an EvoScan log and used DLL to get a Dyno Chart... at the time, it was showing 269whp

My next mod was the Helix 3" DP, now EvoScan/DLL is showing 288whp

Next was my Walbro 255 and Jestr Flash, now EvoScan/DLL is showing 328whp

I logged this setup 3-4 times on different days, and got 0, 1, or 2 knock... nothing major.

I went to the drag strip and was upset to run a best of 13.2. I decided to log my car and got 5-6 counts of knock. I ran another EvoScan/DLL, and it's showing 282whp!!!!!

At this point, I was upset and confused... I thought I had bad gas or a bad tune or both... so I put on a test pipe and K&N cone filter and went to DSG yesterday and ended up with 262whp.

CAN ANYONE SHED SOME LIGHT ON WHAT THE HELL MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED????

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Old May 20, 2007 | 07:21 AM
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Guess I just have a slow Evo then...
I would say that your evo needs some attnetion though..... Get a Compression Test, and Boost Leak test. Check for exhuast leaks and go from there. I have never seen Matt tune an EVO, but I have seen him tune and build plenty of honda, 240s and so on. I mean for christ sake he made CHROME for OBD1 Hondas! So there is no questioning his ability. Dont be so quick to blame the tuner if you havent Doubled check your car.
Old May 20, 2007 | 07:23 AM
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I'm not blaming him at all!!!!!!!

I'm blaming whatever is ****ed up in my car!
Old May 20, 2007 | 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by ShamelessCookie

I went to the drag strip and was upset to run a best of 13.2. I decided to log my car and got 5-6 counts of knock. I ran another EvoScan/DLL, and it's showing 282whp!!!!!

At this point, I was upset and confused... I thought I had bad gas or a bad tune or both... so I put on a test pipe and K&N cone filter and went to DSG yesterday and ended up with 262whp.
CAN ANYONE SHED SOME LIGHT ON WHAT THE HELL MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED????

Do you have any guages in your car? If so whats your idle vac at? does it stutter or stumble going up a hill?
Old May 20, 2007 | 07:26 AM
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I'm not blaming him at all!!!!!!!

I'm blaming whatever is ****ed up in my car!
I never said you were, reread my post. But im sorry if it came off that way, i didnt mean it like that.
Old May 20, 2007 | 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by ROK EVO
Shameless,

Congrat with the tune! Don't worry too much about the power. Your numbers are right along the lines with what IX's should be making on DD w/ old (low-number) software. I am sure that DSG guys did a good job on your car! They are very trustworthy guys.
ROK EVO, these numbers are _nowhere_ near what you'd expect on this type of dyno with these mods on a IX. Not sure where you got that idea...

You definitely don't see IXs making this power on the Buschur Mustang Dyno or Vishnu DynoDynamics, and those two read as low as any dyno in the country. I am not one to put a big emphasis on dyno numbers, but this guy already ran terribly at the track and blamed his tune, so he got a retune, but the retune was on a dyno and shows again that he has very little power. Therefore, I think something is wrong. You should not tell the guy his power is normal when it's nowhere close to normal...

Originally Posted by spooldyou
I would say that your evo needs some attnetion though..... Get a Compression Test, and Boost Leak test. Check for exhuast leaks and go from there.
That's what I've been telling him for weeks...

Originally Posted by spooldyou
Dont be so quick to blame the tuner if you havent Doubled check your car.
I also said this same thing in reference to his previous tune that he was so quick to blame...
Old May 20, 2007 | 09:07 AM
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I just did a compression test... 125/125/125/125 There's essentially no variance... I tried putting a few drops of oil in one cylinder to see if the pressure rose, and it didn't... exactly 125 again.

I did an oil change (my 4th in 9000mi) and replaced the plugs with factory NGK's on Thursday, so everything would be tip-top for the tune... So that's not the culprit...

I don't think it's fuel delivery because my AFR were solid where they should be after the tune...

That leaves me with what? Boost leak?

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Old May 20, 2007 | 10:20 AM
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My o3' evo put down 229whp on a DD dyno at KTR

3" turboback and testpipe
EBC set at 20psi
NO TUNE

something is wrong shameless!
Old May 20, 2007 | 10:35 AM
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I may attempt a boost leak test today... I've never done one, so I've been searching around.

I may try this:

Originally Posted by whitey4d
the easiest way that I haev found to boost test is to simply remove ur intake. buy a 2.5" fernco butt cap from lowes or home depot. cap off the turbo. then I remove the hose coming off my MBC that goes into the compressor outlet and blow the compressed air in there. Thats just my way tho. hope it helps.
Should this be sufficient ?
Old May 20, 2007 | 10:42 AM
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Never heard of doing a boost leak test that way - does that actually work?

You normally pressurize through the turbo inlet like this:

http://vfaq.com/mods/ICtester.html
Old May 20, 2007 | 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by NoTec
Not really. If their dyno was recalibrated to the old school specs since I was there back in March, then that would explain it somewhat. If it hasnt been recalibrated to read like the oldschool Vishnu and Dynoformance dyno dynamics dynos, then you may have an issue somewhere with your car.

The reason I suspect their dyno to read like the newschool DD dynos is because I saw a IX put down 240 whp and 255-260 wtq at The Shop bone stock. Both of their DD dynos are newer and both probably are not set in heartbraker mode.

I would inspect your car for problems somewhere.
There is no such thing as a new school or old school dyno dynamics. From the factory the machines are all calibrated the same.
Old May 20, 2007 | 04:53 PM
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There is no such thing as a new school or old school dyno dynamics. From the factory the machines are all calibrated the same.
Sorry sir. Its seems that most of the shops that have recently purchased DD dynos, have the new correction factors that make the numbers more in line with the dynojets. That's what I meant by newer.

Shameless, are you sure the fuel pump is installed correctly? I'm being serious because I have seen it where the assembly was not assembled with the white piece at the top of the pump or fitted together tightly with a snap. It caused irregularities in fuel delivery. Just making sure all areas of possible error are addressed.


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