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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 07:22 PM
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Just some food for thought. When you have some detonation due to increased cylinder pressure, would you rather blow a head gasket or possibly break the rod bolts on your cylinder rods through your block. Head studs are not necessary with the factory turbo. You do not generate enough cylinder pressure. Detonation increases cylinder pressure to extremes. The weakest part will give. If you run factory studs and head gasket, you can replace them. With head studs, you can break a rod bolt and lead to catastrophic engine failure.
Old Nov 7, 2007 | 07:32 PM
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some people run the stockers without problems, others blow it up.. its your call, take the chance and spend thousands or spend the $100 and u wont have to worry about a thing.
Old Nov 7, 2007 | 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by RyuEvoIX
Am I risking stretching the stock head bolts with a 27psi spike 110octane tune or should I not worry about it? I was contemplating doing a 110oct tune @26psi but I figured why not 27.
Im tuned for 30psi with stock plumbing and head studs.
Old Nov 7, 2007 | 07:47 PM
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I agree with others on here it really boils down to the tune on your car that matters the most. I know someone who spikes about 30 psi or so and holds about 26-27 psi at redline and they have no issues. Now granted he is tuned by the great Jestr and no probelms. So I believe if your tuned on the money then all and in all your good to go.
Old Nov 7, 2007 | 08:06 PM
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FYI some people, on the track, have lifted the head @ 22 psi on the stock turbo.

It wasn't a tuning issue either, believe me.
Old Nov 7, 2007 | 08:14 PM
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installing ARP headbolts using the 1X1 method may also cause your headgasket to blow if it is not done correctly.
Old Nov 8, 2007 | 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by crazyitr
Just some food for thought. When you have some detonation due to increased cylinder pressure, would you rather blow a head gasket or possibly break the rod bolts on your cylinder rods through your block. Head studs are not necessary with the factory turbo. You do not generate enough cylinder pressure. Detonation increases cylinder pressure to extremes. The weakest part will give. If you run factory studs and head gasket, you can replace them. With head studs, you can break a rod bolt and lead to catastrophic engine failure.
This is a good point if detonation is the culprit, then somthings gota give at the end of the day...

Its always the weakest link in the chain, and if you strenghten the cheap links the the more expensive links are next to go. like if your clutch is strong enough the next weakest link is a diff or a gearbox...

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Old Nov 8, 2007 | 07:02 AM
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Cyl pressures and temps at stock boost levels with several counts of knock are much greater than say, 33 psi of boost with no detonation. It's just that high boost demands reasonable tuning and cannot be octane limited.
Old Nov 8, 2007 | 07:18 AM
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Rod bolts dont become weak link during detonation. Rod bolts strength is tested by RPM. It is only a high centrifugal force that tries to stretch a rod bolt. During detonation the piston is at or near TDC. There is no cetrifugal force trying to stretch the rod bolts . The rod is being forced toward the crank. The rod bolt has an easy job of just holding cap on at that point. The piston and rod is straight up at that point. The high pressure cant turn the crank because it is straight up. It cant compress the rod. The cylinder head lifts up. Thats the weakest link. Installing studs will keep the head on better, but that only increases stress on the pistons by having less of a pressure release. Blowing head gaskets is not a bad thing. Its a good thing. If your pistons breaks instead your bottom end is toast. And even worse sometimes the head gets hit as well.
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