HTA35R-700whp/646ft lbs......Buschur RS
Nov 26, 2007 | 08:14 PM
#136
u2slo, let's not call it an e- brake delete as that is not correct. I simply converted it to hydraulic and got rid of the shoes. Now my e-brake works from the normal brake pads in the rear like it should have in the first place.
Nov 27, 2007 | 01:29 AM
#137
crcain, I have done quite a few back to backs on swapping in a 2.3 on 35r cars. There is about a 400rpm spool difference. The torque gain however is pretty hefty at the same time so it makes a huge improvement in everyday driver enjoyment. Well worth any track time loss (if there is one)over a 2.0 if you ask me.
Daves car is like the pinnacle of perfect setup with 35r and 2.0. You dont need any logs to know how fast his turbo is spooling. the 700/646 tells the whole story. When torque is that high that means the turbo is spooling very early in rpm band. a typical 600hp 35r 2.0 makes about 470 torque. drop in a 2.3 and the numbers go to 620/540. Daves car is spooling faster than a typical 2.3/35r setup.
Daves car is like the pinnacle of perfect setup with 35r and 2.0. You dont need any logs to know how fast his turbo is spooling. the 700/646 tells the whole story. When torque is that high that means the turbo is spooling very early in rpm band. a typical 600hp 35r 2.0 makes about 470 torque. drop in a 2.3 and the numbers go to 620/540. Daves car is spooling faster than a typical 2.3/35r setup.
Nov 27, 2007 | 04:58 AM
#138
well i dont know what to say. good job DB? u did it again DB?
really i mean i dont think we can be surprised anymore with all these fast times, high hp numbers ect. u have proved yourself more than enough times. so.... good job DB
now what i am a little confused about is the whole 650whp on the low reading buschur mustang and 700whp on a dynojet. with the same air fuels, there was only ~ 50whp difference. is this the new standard?
really i mean i dont think we can be surprised anymore with all these fast times, high hp numbers ect. u have proved yourself more than enough times. so.... good job DB
now what i am a little confused about is the whole 650whp on the low reading buschur mustang and 700whp on a dynojet. with the same air fuels, there was only ~ 50whp difference. is this the new standard?
Nov 27, 2007 | 05:35 AM
#139
This rules. I get my panties in a wad all the time, it feels good against my taint.
Im with David here....everyone has specific requests and demands. Considering that he does some of the most thorough testing and tuning, and has helped bring us a few good turbos and TONS of good results, along with the likes of AMS, I can say that pleasing everyone all the time isn't possible.
Making the best of the information provided is a requisite of this sport. I spent tons of time beating my head against the wall finding information, time and time again. Getting bent because the answer is NO, is whats funny.....and funny is good. And as long as funny is good......Im throwing the BUNNY
I have NO idea what you're talking about. SO, heres a bunny.....with.....a pancake, on its head.
Im with David here....everyone has specific requests and demands. Considering that he does some of the most thorough testing and tuning, and has helped bring us a few good turbos and TONS of good results, along with the likes of AMS, I can say that pleasing everyone all the time isn't possible.
Making the best of the information provided is a requisite of this sport. I spent tons of time beating my head against the wall finding information, time and time again. Getting bent because the answer is NO, is whats funny.....and funny is good. And as long as funny is good......Im throwing the BUNNY
I have NO idea what you're talking about. SO, heres a bunny.....with.....a pancake, on its head.
That was great... 
I already know this. That's why i'm asking for a comparison of driveability between a car with an HTA turbo (that we pretty much have no way of obtaining a twin scroll hotside for) and a similar car with a twin scroll 35r or 4088 turbo to get an idea of driveability between the two.
Also, what size hotside was used with the hta to make 700whp?
Also, what size hotside was used with the hta to make 700whp?
crcain, I have done quite a few back to backs on swapping in a 2.3 on 35r cars. There is about a 400rpm spool difference. The torque gain however is pretty hefty at the same time so it makes a huge improvement in everyday driver enjoyment. Well worth any track time loss (if there is one)over a 2.0 if you ask me.
Daves car is like the pinnacle of perfect setup with 35r and 2.0. You dont need any logs to know how fast his turbo is spooling. the 700/646 tells the whole story. When torque is that high that means the turbo is spooling very early in rpm band. a typical 600hp 35r 2.0 makes about 470 torque. drop in a 2.3 and the numbers go to 620/540. Daves car is spooling faster than a typical 2.3/35r setup.
Daves car is like the pinnacle of perfect setup with 35r and 2.0. You dont need any logs to know how fast his turbo is spooling. the 700/646 tells the whole story. When torque is that high that means the turbo is spooling very early in rpm band. a typical 600hp 35r 2.0 makes about 470 torque. drop in a 2.3 and the numbers go to 620/540. Daves car is spooling faster than a typical 2.3/35r setup.
Nov 27, 2007 | 06:48 AM
#141
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Look it's a nice turbo. I'm not here to bash it. There is no AWD dyno where I live so I couldn't be very scientific about my back to back test. But there is so much hype surrounding it, I just wanted to measure peoples expectations a bit.
Let's say someone is making 600 ft/lbs of torque on race fuel with their normal GT35R. Do you think they will FEEL how much better the HTA is once they put it in? Can you feel 50 or so more ft/lbs of torque at that level?
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Let's say someone is making 600 ft/lbs of torque on race fuel with their normal GT35R. Do you think they will FEEL how much better the HTA is once they put it in? Can you feel 50 or so more ft/lbs of torque at that level?
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Last edited by crcain; Nov 27, 2007 at 08:15 AM.
Nov 27, 2007 | 07:14 AM
#143
I covered the difference in the MD compared to the DJ in another thread recently. No, I would not say this is the "new standard" to measure the difference by. My car, the last time it was on this same dyno, only showed a "small" difference then too. Not sure why. The RS last time made about 420 here and if I remember right, 460 there. Our black car on the other hand made 730 here and 903 there, same day. Another car brought from there made 271 and then 214 here. I guess there is no "set standard" to calculate the differences, that's why I went there and just dyno'd the car to find out. Remember though, my dyno is always run UNCORRECTED, on the DJ the day I made the 700 whp we ran his dyno on SAE correction, on UNCORRECTED my RS made 717 whp. Had I spent time actually trying to tune the car on THAT dyno it would have made even more as the tune was definetely not optimal for the DJ.
Nov 27, 2007 | 08:13 AM
#144
well there will never be a set % that we can calculate between the two, there are just too many varibles. but the % should be somewhat close from car to car i would assume. i understand that tuning on a MD is different than tuning on a DJ but thats not the subject at hand. say u road tuned a car, then put it on both a MD and a DJ, that would be the best way to figure out the delta in HP.
Nov 27, 2007 | 09:04 AM
#145
Great job as usual Dave ...I would like to check under your hood to see if your hiding a Supercharged V8 there ...
people still ask me to pop the hood when I damage their overinflated egos..thanks to you.
Let it be known..
Buschur + 2.0 liters = Sky is the limit
...I would like to check under your hood to see if your hiding a Supercharged V8 there ...people still ask me to pop the hood when I damage their overinflated egos..thanks to you.
Let it be known..
Buschur + 2.0 liters = Sky is the limit
Dec 7, 2007 | 03:51 PM
#146
dubbleugly, the bottom line, as I typed somewhere on this forum, the average joe is not going to repeat what I am doing. He does not have the money, the drive, the desire, the driving ability, the time etc. My car is what it is because it is all I concentrate on. An customer can walk into our shop and get exactly what is on my car, every single part, no BS, exactly what I have. All you have to do is open up your wallet.
You cannot however expect to "duplicate" what I have if you buy some junk FMIC, a crap exhaust, have some douche bag tune it, not want to run C16 etc. You have to go at this 100%. You can't do the engine and then want the heaviest clutch you can put in it, the 20 pound savings on the Tilton makes a difference, the clutch is $4,000. You can't refuse to buy a set of rotors that add another $1500 to the build just to save 15 pounds (or whatever the price/weight is). You can't put limits on it, go all in with the best parts, best tuning and best driver or you will NOT duplicate what I have, end of story.
This is exactly the case with me and using Curt Brown for an example. He still holds the quickest and fastest 35r time, 9.34 at 153 mph. He was willing to go further than I am and he does and will hold that record for a long-long time. He spent the money, lost the weight and is an awesome driver.
You cannot however expect to "duplicate" what I have if you buy some junk FMIC, a crap exhaust, have some douche bag tune it, not want to run C16 etc. You have to go at this 100%. You can't do the engine and then want the heaviest clutch you can put in it, the 20 pound savings on the Tilton makes a difference, the clutch is $4,000. You can't refuse to buy a set of rotors that add another $1500 to the build just to save 15 pounds (or whatever the price/weight is). You can't put limits on it, go all in with the best parts, best tuning and best driver or you will NOT duplicate what I have, end of story.
This is exactly the case with me and using Curt Brown for an example. He still holds the quickest and fastest 35r time, 9.34 at 153 mph. He was willing to go further than I am and he does and will hold that record for a long-long time. He spent the money, lost the weight and is an awesome driver.
Dec 7, 2007 | 09:56 PM
#150
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No 1 David ?
I look at it this way , where are most of the worlds most sophisticated road cars developed ? Japan ? Europe ?
Which classes of motorsport are considered to be the pinnacle ? F1 ? WRC ? Where did they originate ?
Garretts Ball Bearing Turbos ? Mostly developed by Garrett Japan ?
There's a whole world out here believe it or not ...
I look at it this way , where are most of the worlds most sophisticated road cars developed ? Japan ? Europe ?
Which classes of motorsport are considered to be the pinnacle ? F1 ? WRC ? Where did they originate ?
Garretts Ball Bearing Turbos ? Mostly developed by Garrett Japan ?
There's a whole world out here believe it or not ...