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Old Nov 22, 2007 | 10:34 AM
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dave, how do you like the 35hta compared to the 67p trim?? depending on next years rule book im wondering if i should give up the 67p for the HTA maybe.. i was told by a friend of ours that the 35r will 1/8th mile quicker and faster probably.. if the 35r can make 700whp it may be better all around..

just because one 35r made 700hp. does not mean they all will. i beleave many people feel a few things are being left a secret......
Old Nov 22, 2007 | 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by davidbuschur

The difference in AFR is quite simple. It is the fact that the Dynojet doesn't load the car properly. The MD applies load and that load increases as speed increases, just like the road.
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Old Nov 22, 2007 | 10:43 AM
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Dave.. at what rpm does this car make 2 bar on the street in 4th gear?

I could have swore you said about 5200 rpm but maybe that was for your car before the HTA?
DB enquiring minds want to know!

ok maybe it's just me

You must feel like a politician sometimes having the peanut gallery here trying to poke holes in everything you do. Just remember most of the time it's just enthusiasts trying to figure what is and is not possible.
Old Nov 22, 2007 | 10:49 AM
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Dave, What compression are you running in the white car?

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Old Nov 22, 2007 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by davidbuschur

The difference in AFR is quite simple. It is the fact that the Dynojet doesn't load the car properly. The MD applies load and that load increases as speed increases, just like the road.
I would say your acceleration enrichment settings might need some adjustments to fix your varying A/Fs based on engine load. I've had the issue of going lean on the street from the dynojet tunes. To fix the issue, I retuned on the street in the higher gears and then adjusted the acceleration enrichments to keep the A/Fs right under all load conditions. When the settings were right, the A/Fs were rock solid in every gear and on the dyno.

Dave, do your A/Fs also richen up in the lower gears? Because the lower gears would have the same reduced load which would likely cause the same changes in A/Fs that you see on the dyno.

As for the drag car picking up ~20% HP on the dynojet, it probably has more to do with the typical dynojet capabilities. I've seen several say that the dynojet "error" starts to get high above 700-800 HP, the differences seem to be very noticeable up there. The differences in measurement styles of the different dynos is the real cause though so this idea you can add some percentage to mustang numbers to get dynojet numbers is ridiculous.
Old Nov 22, 2007 | 12:08 PM
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Congrats Dave! The higher you get the better I feel about me getting a HTA35R.

Originally Posted by crcain
So presumably, if this was a stroker... the car would make more torque than hp?

This result is so different than any other 2 litre + 35R its almost unbelieveable. But then you look at DB's track times and you think, hmmmm.
If you can spin a 2.3ltr to 10,000 rpm then it should maybe equal. Maybe. Too bad we can't.

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Old Nov 22, 2007 | 12:14 PM
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If you can spin a 2.3ltr to 10,000 rpm then it should maybe equal. Maybe. Too bad we can't.
I'm sorry I don't understand what your saying. Stroker should always yield more torque than the 2 litre all thing beeing equal. That was my point.

Not sure what your point is. I could care less if I can spin my motor to 10k. You'd need a GT42 or similar size turbo to need those kind of revs.
Old Nov 22, 2007 | 12:41 PM
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Well they aren't eqaul. At least you can stop spinning a 2.0 at 7500-8000 and see where the HP/TQ levels are, then do the comparison. But then you'd be cutting the 2.0 short of it's capability. You could spin the 2.3 ltr to 10,000 to get to the limit of a 2.0 and do a true comparison to see if the 2.3 ltr can make more TQ than a 2.0, but the 2.3 ltr can stay together that high. Since turbos like RPM, it would seem that the 2.0 would be the better choice to make higher HP\TQ numbers up top.
Old Nov 22, 2007 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by LT1runner
Well they aren't eqaul. At least you can stop spinning a 2.0 at 7500-8000 and see where the HP/TQ levels are, then do the comparison. But then you'd be cutting the 2.0 short of it's capability. You could spin the 2.3 ltr to 10,000 to get to the limit of a 2.0 and do a true comparison to see if the 2.3 ltr can make more TQ than a 2.0, but the 2.3 ltr can stay together that high. Since turbos like RPM, it would seem that the 2.0 would be the better choice to make higher HP\TQ numbers up top.
Peak torque was at 5600 and would be even sooner on a stroker, so what does being able to rev to 10k have anything to do with peak torque
Old Nov 22, 2007 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by evodan2004
just because one 35r made 700hp. does not mean they all will. i beleave many people feel a few things are being left a secret......
No but it means that the HTA35r has the Capability to make 700whp.
Old Nov 22, 2007 | 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by CanadianTSi
Peak torque was at 5600 and would be even sooner on a stroker, so what does being able to rev to 10k have anything to do with peak torque
I just thought if you could rev a 2.3 to 10K, just like a 2.0, peak HP/TQ would be higher.
Old Nov 22, 2007 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by davidbuschur
From Page 1, TedB. The turbo doesn't use different housings than a Garrett GT3582 turbo. The turbine wheel is identical, the change is the compressor wheel. The compressor wheel, as has been said many times before, is slightly SMALLER than the Garrett compressor wheel. It has also been said many times before that the PEAK power with the Garrett GT3582 is the same as the HTA35r. Also, the topic of my thread says "HTA35R-700WHP/646 FT LBS" Nothing misleading about that.

Originally Posted by Full-Race Geoff
the HTA35R is a garrett 35R with a bigger 7blade compressor wheel. Thats it, just a bigger compressor wheel. The HTA modification does not change turbine wheel or housing, so you could easily use a twinscroll manifold and housing

not trying to upset the apple cart here, as we have two well respected tuners here saying the opposite, but is the compressor wheel on the HTA35R larger or smaller?

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Old Nov 22, 2007 | 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by johnd
not trying to upset the apple cart here, as we have two well respected tuners here saying the opposite, but is the compressor wheel on the HTA35R larger or smaller?
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I'm sure Geoff was speculating. I doubt he's actually measured an HTA.
Old Nov 22, 2007 | 02:43 PM
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I have to say Buschur is in the know since he actually has one and sells them.
Old Nov 22, 2007 | 02:55 PM
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congrats on the numbers. Do u think thats about it with that turbo or maybe get another 40-50whp out of it?


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