FULL RACE TWIN SCROLL 30R results and data
Dec 25, 2007, 12:51 PM
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and let me guess, you've driven a TS GT30 car and a Green car both with similar mods back to back right?
yeah, didn't think so. so your comparison comes from where?
Dec 25, 2007, 02:49 PM
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we're working on it! i have a bunch of SR20 graphs showing this (since our time attack and drift cars are both sr20 most of our data is SR), but i think it would only get people more riled up since its not 4G63.. ill wait until evo dan's twinscroll .78 vs twinscroll 1.06 vs single scroll .82 results are ready
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Dec 25, 2007, 07:14 PM
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but you know what, if your "great driveability" and not so great power justify the 7k for you, by all means do so.
There are people out there who will spend their 7k more wisely.
Dec 25, 2007, 10:58 PM
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As long as the motors are fairly conventional, it should all react pretty much the same. If you start talking something weird like a 5-cylinder 990cc Honda motoGP motor with funky firing order and timing, then that'd be a different situation.
Dec 26, 2007, 06:19 AM
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I would generally agree with you. However, in this case, we're not comparing the performance of the base motors, but how the performance of the base motor changes due to the difference of an external system (turbo setup in this case).
As long as the motors are fairly conventional, it should all react pretty much the same. If you start talking something weird like a 5-cylinder 990cc Honda motoGP motor with funky firing order and timing, then that'd be a different situation.
As long as the motors are fairly conventional, it should all react pretty much the same. If you start talking something weird like a 5-cylinder 990cc Honda motoGP motor with funky firing order and timing, then that'd be a different situation.
but take a subaru motor for example... ? 2 liter turbo wrx, horrible exhaust design, poor cylinder heads... they respond nothing like a 2.0 liter evo motor...
if you are calling a boxer engine unconventional, then ok, i agree
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Dec 26, 2007, 07:45 AM
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Ummm... yeah, I've driven the green. and the TS GT30 is so new not too many people are going to have the chance to drive it.
but you know what, if your "great driveability" and not so great power justify the 7k for you, by all means do so.
There are people out there who will spend their 7k more wisely.
but you know what, if your "great driveability" and not so great power justify the 7k for you, by all means do so.
There are people out there who will spend their 7k more wisely.
The real test for this kit is how it compares to other kits and not really how it compares to the Green. How does the TS3076 compare to an AMS 3076 kit? How will the 35s compare? These are the true comparisons.
The question about Green v. every other turbo needs to be answered before you even consider a kit. Again, why waist your money on any kit if the Green meets all your needs.
Dec 26, 2007, 08:18 AM
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The difference is the TS 30R drives much like a Green, but can deliver another 50whp. With a hotside swap, it will still drive better than a typical larger turbo car, and can give 100+whp more than a Green.
The price of admission isn't cheap, but it delivers as close to having one's cake and eating it too as can be had. Like many such things, it isn't for everyone, but those who have gone this route aren't expressing regrets.
The price of admission isn't cheap, but it delivers as close to having one's cake and eating it too as can be had. Like many such things, it isn't for everyone, but those who have gone this route aren't expressing regrets.
Dec 26, 2007, 08:57 AM
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You seem to have completely missed the point. I think even Geoff would agree that if you are happy with the power of the Green and will be content with that power, it is the best option. The problem is if you want more power than the Green. You have more if you go with the TS30 or you can go bigger by simply changing out the turbo. That is the benefit of any turbo kit, upgradability.
The real test for this kit is how it compares to other kits and not really how it compares to the Green. How does the TS3076 compare to an AMS 3076 kit? How will the 35s compare? These are the true comparisons.
The question about Green v. every other turbo needs to be answered before you even consider a kit. Again, why waist your money on any kit if the Green meets all your needs.
The real test for this kit is how it compares to other kits and not really how it compares to the Green. How does the TS3076 compare to an AMS 3076 kit? How will the 35s compare? These are the true comparisons.
The question about Green v. every other turbo needs to be answered before you even consider a kit. Again, why waist your money on any kit if the Green meets all your needs.
This is about the TS setups and how they perform on Dan's car, so people can see the results HE got on HIS setup... people are losing sight of that.
Dec 26, 2007, 10:03 AM
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I would also say that as a person who wants street performance and track day goodness, the comparison of the Green to everything else is very valid. Why do you all think that so many folks compare the Green to other turbos anyway? Its the spool damnit! Waiting for boost is like standing in line at the candy store... even if it's only a short wait it feels like forever!
For this reason I really like what I see from the TS turbos. I also like the idea of great part throttle response and big HP on pump gas as these are things that I want in MY car.
As for the cost of this vs other kits, of course that should be an issue. None of us have unlimited cash (not many anyway) and we all have to make hard choices about where we put our dollars. Does it make more sense to put X in your motor and Y in the suspension or vice versa? Money invested in one area of the car means other things left undone or to a lesser standard and for that reason even good deals on larger packages such as this mean that other things may need to take a back seat for a time.
These are not value judgments against an obviously superior product from a company and guy I know from my time playing with 240s, just statements in regards to what I feel are assumptions made about those who have commented with questions, ponderings or thoughts on the issue that others may not understand or find value in.
With that said... thank you again to Full Race for helping push the state of the art as thinking outside the box and bringing lessons learned from other cars can make for great strides.