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Old Dec 17, 2007, 12:14 PM
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AMS 2.3RR + Full Race 3076 TS Kit = faster than stock spool?

If one was to spend the huge amount of cash to put the AMS 2.3RR shortblock along with their ported/built head and a complete Full Race 3076 twinscroll turbo kit on their vehicle (along with all supporting mods and a great tune), would that person have a car that spooled as quickly or quicker than the stock IX? I know that this would all just be conjecture since I don't think it's been done, but thoughts and opinions count for something. Would this be the ultimate Time Attack setup?
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you need more than just fast spool for time attack. this would be awesome on short tight tracks but this setup wouldn't have a ton of top end for the bigger tracks so no, it's not the ultimate set up but it would be pretty damn good.
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don't think you would get quicker spool than stock turbo.
I think you could get full spooll within 500 rpm of stock turbo for sure..
I think that would be a perfect rr set up and you wouldn't have to worry about spool because you would always be in the power band with that size turbo and ams's bad *** motor set up..
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If the 30R TS would not get you enough top end, then would the 35R TS kit get you enough without losing much of the low end torque?
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I also think that setup would be perfect for both short tight tracks and long fast tracks.
pump gas map on the short tight course and meth or race gas map on the big track..
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I think this setup would be a bit of a waste of the 2.3RR. The purpose of that engine is to increase displacement without losing the ability to hit higher RPMs. With a 2.3 the 3076 is going to run out of steam before 7500 which is within the realm of a normal 2.3 stroker. The TS 35R would likely be a better match as it would be able to hold boost up top reasonably well and actually make use of the extra 1k RPM.

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Good point. I believe that AMS uses their 35R on their time attack vehicle. I wonder how much more responsive it would be with a twin scroll setup?
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Originally Posted by PVD04
I think this setup would be a bit of a waste of the 2.3RR. The purpose of that engine is to increase displacement without losing the ability to hit higher RPMs. With a 2.3 the 3076 is going to run out of steam before 7500 which is within the realm of a normal 2.3 stroker. The TS 35R would likely be a better match as it would be able to hold boost up top reasonably well and actually make use of the extra 1k RPM.

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i disagree... why would the 3076 run out of steam?? we've made 560whp on that turbo before, it moves a lot of air. If you need it to make more power, swap out to a 1.06 a/r housing instead of the .78

the TS35R is a bigger turbo, and will deliver more top end, but if the OP wants the low end grunt, the 35R is just a little bit big.
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Originally Posted by jmsrx
If one was to spend the huge amount of cash to put the AMS 2.3RR shortblock along with their ported/built head and a complete Full Race 3076 twinscroll turbo kit on their vehicle (along with all supporting mods and a great tune), would that person have a car that spooled as quickly or quicker than the stock IX? I know that this would all just be conjecture since I don't think it's been done, but thoughts and opinions count for something. Would this be the ultimate Time Attack setup?
sounds like a nice combo! dont really see the point in the 2.3RR jsut get a normal one and afe some money.

as Geoff said about it would be very inpressive. Geoff do trial do SS TS housings for these turbos??

thanks Chirs.
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I think it would be a kick *** set-up. 2.3RR is definately the best of both worlds. I really hate to go off topic but I'm not starting a thread to ask this. What does the "OP" stand for? I know it's the person who started the thread but what do the letters stand for?
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Most likely "original poster". Not 100% sure.
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thank man.....I feel better now.
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i have a 3037s aka 3076r with a .82 a/r and the turbo @ 25psi is making 472whp and 426wtq. its only just begun to waken at that point if u ask me.
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Stock IX with the original exhaust and mapping is not terribly fast to spool. IX with stage I mods can pull in 25 PSI as early as 2500-2600 RPM.

Whilst I can't see a 2.3 and 3076TS matching that, it wouldn't surprise me to see it not far behind, and if you compare the torque rather than the boost threshold it would not feel like a poor relation I expect, especially compared to a completely stock setup.

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Originally Posted by Full-Race Geoff
i disagree... why would the 3076 run out of steam?? we've made 560whp on that turbo before, it moves a lot of air. If you need it to make more power, swap out to a 1.06 a/r housing instead of the .78

the TS35R is a bigger turbo, and will deliver more top end, but if the OP wants the low end grunt, the 35R is just a little bit big.
I guess my point was that it is hardly worth the extra expense to get an extra 1k RPM if you are running a 3076. The powerband would be more than adequate with a 7500 RPM rev limit. The GT35 with a 2.3 that could rev to 8500 would be a great Time Attack setup IMO, likely better than the 3076 unless the track is very tight.

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