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if that is on a mustang dyno which is a low reading dyno, an i was on a dyno jet which is what your car is really putting down or you could say generous dyno. Why dont you believe the numbers when your just as high as i want to be? An im not tryin to be smart im just saying i dont think alot of people give 50 trim's credit i think they are a great turbo for the street.
470whp on that dyno is pure insane.
SPEED has 37r/50trim hybrid turbo.
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I'm guessing you have a stock 2.0 with a 50trim right? Well, you said your wife's evo made 420 with only 18psi. That's kinda high considering, most 50trim on stock motor only make around 430-440 whp with 23-24psi on pump gas. I'm talking about dynojet here. That's including myself when I used to have the TT dual ball bearing 50trim.
Keep in mind that my numbers is on a Mustang Dyno here. It's going to be higher on a dynojet. If you were to put meth or alky in your car and boost it up to 28psi. You will probably get around 410whp on this dyno. Dont get me wrong, I like running 50trim turbos. All i'm saying is that the numbers youre trying to get is unreal with the boost that your pushing. Unless it's a high reading dyno.
Keep in mind that my numbers is on a Mustang Dyno here. It's going to be higher on a dynojet. If you were to put meth or alky in your car and boost it up to 28psi. You will probably get around 410whp on this dyno. Dont get me wrong, I like running 50trim turbos. All i'm saying is that the numbers youre trying to get is unreal with the boost that your pushing. Unless it's a high reading dyno.
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That really doesn't mean much. Different companies rate their stages differently. A pure 50 trim won't make nearly as much power as what Speed's car did as it just can't flow enough. On our dyno at around 20 pounds of boost a straight up 50 trim will put out about 380ish whp. The only problem w/ that turbo is it falls off fast as it just can't flow enough. Our hybrid turbos is where it's at, just look at Speed's results.
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A standard 50 trim on this dyno (the last one we did 5 days ago) will put out 365-370 at 25 psi. Some BB units can be pushed to 30psi but they will not last. At 30 they will make 380-390. I believe that Greg posted a typo
Speeds car does not have a 37r hybrid, Its a 35r hybrid, The 82mm Standard 3R wheel has been machined to spec so that it will match a little better with our machined turbine wheel. It is encased in standard 50 trim housings.
Yes 470 on our dyno is quite a bit. For him to run 11.2 letting off thru fourth gear and trapping 111... I would say that his car is pretty quick for a full weight, stock suspension and drivetrain car that is daily driven.
Stage 3 compressor comparison is saying that you wear a size 11 Nike but an Adidas you need 10. It means nothing. You need to know what the physical dimensions and angular measurements are.
For example, evilbada's car with a similar setup but ETS's turbo kit will put own around 450WHP. His limitations are going to be the single fuel pump and MAF/stock ecu combo.
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we did an evo ix with bolt ons, stock internals, with an ets 50 trim, and it made 403/338 on our mustang... which surpised the hell out of me..
normally they are in the 365-385 range... im tuning another today, off the shelf 50 trim from blouch...
we have the one that made 403 getting an hta "style" compressor wheel rated at 55 lbs/min, so that should kick some butt!
i love me some 50 trim
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normally they are in the 365-385 range... im tuning another today, off the shelf 50 trim from blouch...
we have the one that made 403 getting an hta "style" compressor wheel rated at 55 lbs/min, so that should kick some butt!
i love me some 50 trim
cb
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we did an evo ix with bolt ons, stock internals, with an ets 50 trim, and it made 403/338 on our mustang... which surpised the hell out of me..
normally they are in the 365-385 range... im tuning another today, off the shelf 50 trim from blouch...
we have the one that made 403 getting an hta "style" compressor wheel rated at 55 lbs/min, so that should kick some butt!
i love me some 50 trim
cb
normally they are in the 365-385 range... im tuning another today, off the shelf 50 trim from blouch...
we have the one that made 403 getting an hta "style" compressor wheel rated at 55 lbs/min, so that should kick some butt!
i love me some 50 trim
cb
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Well since you guys know what cars are goin to put down b4 you dyno them why dont you tell me what kristina's dad's car is goin to dyno so i dont have to waste time doin it. It is a 1gen talon fully built stage 1 forced performance cams 6h-20g 8cm exhaust side, 255fp, 720cc inj, tubular manifold, an 20lbs. b/c why waste time to dyno when you guys already know. oh an buschur 3' exhaust no cat...
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I'm guessing you have a stock 2.0 with a 50trim right? Well, you said your wife's evo made 420 with only 18psi. That's kinda high considering, most 50trim on stock motor only make around 430-440 whp with 23-24psi on pump gas. I'm talking about dynojet here. That's including myself when I used to have the TT dual ball bearing 50trim.
The car has never made 420 on 18 psi. I don't think 420 is possible at that boost level and that turbo. But With the boost falling off to ~18 psi the car made 402 or something very similar. I tried to get the graph, but the guys at the shop that it was tuned at, are not very good with computers and I haven't been back since.
Now, being that the dyno used was a dyno jet.. you can automatically tack on a few extra HP right there. I don't see the big deal about dyno numbers anyway.. use them as a tuning tool and use the track as the real measure of hp.
But anyway.. the car looks like a blast to drive! I love the power band of these motors. It is a whole different world than what I am use to.
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Well since you guys know what cars are goin to put down b4 you dyno them why dont you tell me what kristina's dad's car is goin to dyno so i dont have to waste time doin it. It is a 1gen talon fully built stage 1 forced performance cams 6h-20g 8cm exhaust side, 255fp, 720cc inj, tubular manifold, an 20lbs. b/c why waste time to dyno when you guys already know. oh an buschur 3' exhaust no cat...
I'm not bashing on 50trim at all. Its a great street turbo.
But you are coming to a wrong conclusion.
And I don't know why you are so caught up in "Stages".
Stage doesn't mean anything.
A vendor could use a 264 degree cams and call it stage 4
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Well since you guys know what cars are goin to put down b4 you dyno them why dont you tell me what kristina's dad's car is goin to dyno so i dont have to waste time doin it. It is a 1gen talon fully built stage 1 forced performance cams 6h-20g 8cm exhaust side, 255fp, 720cc inj, tubular manifold, an 20lbs. b/c why waste time to dyno when you guys already know. oh an buschur 3' exhaust no cat...
I don't understand why people get so caught up in numbers anyways. ET and traps is what counts.
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I don't understand your apathy. Having tuned as many cars as we have with so many different setups we can draw correlations between turbos. A turbo is limited by how much air it can flow efficiently. The amount of air it can flow is directly correlated to the amount of power the car will make.
I don't understand why people get so caught up in numbers anyways. ET and traps is what counts.
I don't understand why people get so caught up in numbers anyways. ET and traps is what counts.