+1

inneedof, you really expect them to send you the manifold? You have no credibility, and on top of that they can't even sell it for new once its used.
No one is going to send you anything, and there is no reason too.

The original one sucked and that's a fact. Maybe the newer one is better, but BR doesn't owe testing that to anyone. Why don't you pay out of your own pocket
if you're so sure that it works. So far from this thread, there is more people with bad results, then the other way around. Yeah paul nelson made xxxx amount of
power with the magnus, that proves nothing unless he takes it off, puts on another manifold right after, and then compares them same day, same dyno. Why should BR test it again?
It's not their product, its on the people who use it and defend it to prove that works.

 

Here is the title of the thread: Magnus intake manifold.... good bad?

100% of this community has the right to respond with their opinions or facts. As the moderator stated previously, Wakeman has a chance to respond as well. He did and so be it. Just like everyone else can as well.

Everyone can SAY that they believe biased results from inconclusive dyno testing, but that would mean we are all lemmings? No my friend we live in America and have the RIGHT to investigate and think for ourselves. Its funny that everyone who disagrees with the company you work for is considered a liar, and less of a human being for stating facts.
This thread is about facts, can you handle the truth?
Obviously not......

 

The OP asked for an opinion on the Magnus manifold. Several people responded with their opinions and the OP can make a list of who recommended it and those who did not. Obviously Dave Buschur doesn't recommend it. It is a difference of opinion which he explained why, that is ALL there should be in this discussion.

However, this is typical of many technical discussions that get derailed because of a few members who have personal issues with a particular vendor. If you are that concerned about Dave's position, then send him a PM, go to the Buschur racing forum or call him. Bushcur racing sells and installs what they believe to be the best bang for the buck. If you don't agree, fine. But demanding an unbiased test with public scrutiny is ludicrous. If you want that, then buy the manifold and pay Bushcur to test it.

Finally, we are not going to entertain continuous drama which trumps the flow of communication. Unless you have personal experience with the manifold and can provide feedback to the OP then please don't clutter the thread. Thanks.

 

I already know all about you so I'm not even going to start on that subject.

How we got dragged into this thread was from being misquoted. David came in to clear up a few points then you and your buddies started in.

No its not everyone who disagree's is a liar. Its the people that are talking and giving OPINIONS of their THOUGHTS when they have not done testing and are just trying to discredit testing and actual dyno #'s.

Stating what facts? I seen NO facts in this thread. Just OPINIONS. Its funny how when you "thought" you had an intake manifold that lost power you were right on the phone calling us and posting on here then all of a sudden it was a "copy".

I never said people dont have the right to speak for themselves but speaking for yourself and just taking every opportunity to slam a person / vendor is something totally different.

Yeah I can handle the truth.... can you and your boys actually speak it? Obviously not..... FRIEND.

 

Sorry Speedlimit. You posted that while I was typing mine.

Thats my last reply in this thread.

 

Now onto "calling you" .... I have not and will never call you or wakeman.
The thread if you were to read it, was to warn people about "certain intake manifolds" as stated in the title and the thread on numerous occasions. Have EVOM look at the cached pages to see if it had EVER said magnus. Tweedle dee decided to post and say "i love you man" when he had absolutely NO evidence it was a Magnus unit. "He" wanted so bad JUST TO BELIEVE that the Magnus unit is crap so that he could finally have some results. If it (Magnus's "first version") was so bad then why not test it at the same time? No just use old results and put them into a magazine to harm someone. Or better yet don't tell everyone that for 3 years of SELLING the product it was junk and your going to give everyone their money back. It is convenient marketing, call it what it is. Not genius, just biased.
Sorry judge, strike that, I don't want to prejudice the jury.

 

Well, since Speedlimits post did not hit home, I will pitch in. Next person to attack another in this thread gets the maximum violation. If you are a vendor attacking another vendor(not expressing a on topic opinion), that means a hefty 15 pointer. Please avoid attacks as they do nothing for the thread or the community.

We have a product with different opinions. One person tested it, opinions were expressed on the test, and all sides have been heard. That particular case is closed end of story.

As far as actually results/opinions, if any one else has something new to add, go for it. It you are going to comment on the previous test, don't bother.


As for us testing it on ours, we are always open to product reviews and offer only the facts. One thing to note about our product reviews is that we never publish negative ones. If we find a product we do not like or does not perform well, we simply give it back and do not write about it. We are currently running a stock manifold@500whp and another company has already told us they are sending a manifold to test. Its not something we really want to do (hefty install), but we could test both. I would however only be open to testing the most current design, and only new, not used as that is what matters to the manufacturers, and should yield the best results.

 

Charles, I think something to keep in mind in all this is what you have stated. There are a LOT of people who test parts but there are very few who will put them selves on the firing line to post something negative. It's no way to make friends no matter how you attempt to word things, such as I did. No matter how specific you are on the EXACT product you test and no matter how many times you say, "THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OTHER OF THE COMPANIES CURRENT PRODUCTS" there is still no way to come out of a test with negative results on someone's good side.

I think MANY people do what you have suggested: Test a product, if it doesn't work well, just return it and keep it quiet.

 

Last night I tested a popular Intake on a customer's car and it lost 12 whp up top and spools up nearly 600 rpms slower

(Note its not a magnus intake)

I am hesitant to post any of the testing or dyno sheets at this point as I have not ruled out other possible contributing factors and also becuase I dont want to start a giant pissing contest

I do a lot of testing where I find something works great

I have often shared the data with the community about my testing. I like to share. Considering the time it takes to do the testing I often ask myself WHY I bother to post the data. When you catch heat for posting results that others dont agree upon it takes the wind out of your sails.

Some lists of great products I have tested

1 - HKS RS Intake

2 - HKS Exhuast

3 - Buschur exhuast

4 - HKS twin fire

5 - Buschur COP

6 - Shep trans

7 - Forge UNOS MBC

Its hard to say anything negative about any product that I find does not work well as many people who have bought it become **** off.

Some of the products I have tested which are not that great IMHO included

1 - K & N Typhoon intake

2 - Blue death E bay intake

3 - E bay headers

etc etc

I especially concur with David's comments about being on the fiuring line for posting test results which **** off someone else.

I thank the adminsitration and moderation team for clamping down on vendor to vendor attacks. Thanks for your attention.

AL

 

This may at the end of the day be the best approach.

Often customer's are very dissapointed when a certain turbo or a certain intake does not perform as expected and they just sprung money for install, the product and tuning.

Strong suggestion to customers

DO NOT decide to buy parts based upon what parts sales guys suggest or based upon what your buddies think will work. ALWAYS ask your tuner with experience what he / she has found to work and ALWAYS confirm that advice by doing your own research with the "search" buttton

At this point in the game most of what works and what does not work has been sorted out and the parts are running on the cars of the major tuners like AMS, Buschur and Top Speed, etc etc. Trust me those shops do R & D and wont run parts that don't work.

Al

 

It is used already, they used it for there own tests. And i never expected them to send it to me.


Karma

 

Wow, I just heard about all this beef and drama.

I do hope that everyone can take a step back and try to figure out where the real issues are. Sometimes we get so caught up in the personal issues that we forget about the reality of what we are doing and that is bottom line performance.

As for the Magnus, I would not run one. I would not care to bolt a high dollar intake to my car that the maker of which never bothered to test prior to selling them to the world. I think that while the issues involved over the intake and debate were less than ideal the results pretty well spoke for themselves.

Now Magnus has made a new manifold and maybe it works, maybe they tested it and it makes crazy power... heck if I know but it would have to show REAL performance and results as I would not be apt to trust the prior lack of testing nor would I be happy with the torn up blowd up magnus manifolds I have seen many pics of. Thats just my 2 cents.

So about Buschur. I think his results speak for themselves. They make numbers on pretty much any car you bolt a part onto and have built more fast cars than I could venture to guess.

DTM currently holds track records at about every track on the east coast and results would seem to indicate that can take a sows ear and turn it into a silk purse in no time flat and then post numbers at a road course that would make baby jesus cry.

AMS seems to have some magic formula that allows them to avoid all this drama. They build lots of great cars and somehow don't get drug into the middle of all this stuff... I mention them as I feel its only fair to drag them and their good name into this mess in the interest of cruel fairness!

I have a car built with almost ALL Buschur parts. I have a car that is set up and honed in its current state by Nick and DTM. I respect both companies and hope that things find a way to work themselves out as beef like this does nobody any good.

 

Why are the mods sweating this so bad? Nobody has said anything out of line, or threatened anyone? Is there somthing going on on the other side, and mabey nobody wants to have these legitamate questions answered?

All the BS aside, this is the ONLY real question I ask, and I want a REAL answer:

What is the purpose of testing a discontinued manifold? The purpose of the test was to find the results of this claimed "horrible performing" manifold circa 2005-2006. If that orignial manifold is not presented in the test to be examined, how are we to know it was a) an authentic Magnus or b) any of this is not just hearsay. Furthermore, all of the manifolds tested in the May issue of DSport were current except for the Magnus. And it was obtained from ebay, of all places. What is this supposed to tell us?

 

Interesting thread, in my opinion the test was just a bit ridiculous really. I mean even if the manifold (Magnus, circa 2005) did loose power how come they chose to use everyone else's current design but the Magnus piece? That's like comparing a shop full of Z06's to an ancient TBI mid 80's out of production vette...

 

I think as long as the focus in on parts and cars there is no problem. I do agree with the mods that this is something that should be as cool headed as possible as there has just been way too much heat over the Magnus issue in the past. Why beat it to death?

At the same time it is fair to ask questions and go after the best performance possible. I think the VAST majority of folks here have that same thing as their #1 goal.