Making 380WHP with $635
May 12, 2008, 06:42 PM
#91
Your trap speed is an average speed at the end of the 1/4 mile. It's a good indicator of the amount of horsepower your engine makes accross the powerband. It is not affected much by the launch at the beginning of the 1/4 mile like the ET is.
You dont need to launch to get a decent trap speed but you do need to floor it (WOT) through the gears and rev the engine to redline in each gear. You dont have to powershift either.
You dont need to launch to get a decent trap speed but you do need to floor it (WOT) through the gears and rev the engine to redline in each gear. You dont have to powershift either.
May 12, 2008, 10:37 PM
#93
As for the babying, that is not what the Evo is for, so remember that. It's built to be driven, but that doesn't necessarily mean launching it. You can rip the Evo hard in other forms of racing without launching it, so maybe consider that at some point in the future. However, if you get a taste, you may be ruined for life (in a good way).
May 12, 2008, 11:31 PM
#94
Actually that was 506 on a stock turbo on E90 and it was my boss' car. My car hasnt dyno'd on the Green and alcohol yet. It was a dynojet for reference, and I do have the airflow logs of that car so I can tell you what amount of air it takes to make that power.
May 13, 2008, 12:36 AM
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You're not far from me either, so swing by my way sometime and I'll work with ya on simple launches and more importantly, embracing that performance potential.
May 13, 2008, 02:11 AM
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This whole debate can easily be settled by seeing what the OP's car traps. I bet money it won't be near what a 380awhp Evo normally traps.
OP, I'm not discrediting any gains you've made, and quite frankly I would LOVE to make that much power for that cheap, but those dyno numbers are ridiculously high for your mods. A baseline dyno for your car would've helped immensly in this situation. My opinion, get her to the track and show what she can do.
OP, I'm not discrediting any gains you've made, and quite frankly I would LOVE to make that much power for that cheap, but those dyno numbers are ridiculously high for your mods. A baseline dyno for your car would've helped immensly in this situation. My opinion, get her to the track and show what she can do.
May 13, 2008, 09:12 AM
#97
A quarter mile's end trap speed is a great comparison for how fast a car is... much more accurate than throwing dyno numbers around. Since vehicles all weigh different weights, different dynos give different numbers, and different cars & tunes have different powerbands, a trap speed is a much more accurate way of comparing two cars.
For example, a typical Mustang Dyno, well modded, well tuned, normal weight 380whp Evo would be in the 120-123 mph range.
It's more likely that this car will be in the 112-115 mph range.
For example, a typical Mustang Dyno, well modded, well tuned, normal weight 380whp Evo would be in the 120-123 mph range.
It's more likely that this car will be in the 112-115 mph range.
RyuEvoIX's IX is trapping 117 although he claims a 120mph best trap. he's also running 30psi and 100% meth. I'm pretty certain he's well above 380whp.
ID #376's 384whp IX that was tuned at TurboTrix DynoJet and he traps 115.
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May 13, 2008, 01:39 PM
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The mustang dyno at Taylor does not add more power then people have been talking about here , all these rumors about there dyno showing big number to make customer happy. The first dyno run i made was 493whp the night before the dyno i raced a twin turbo mustang that made 480 on a mustang dyno and i beat him by a car if Taylor’s dyno was reading 10 - 20% higher or something like that the mustang would walked me easy. For all of you who starting these rumors and don’t have anything else to do need to take a chill pill and get a life. Some cars do better then other u will never see 2 cars with same setup run same number they are always different.
May 13, 2008, 01:39 PM
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And I was here "over 2 years ago" when you reported them. They were always impressively high. Why do you think I'm confused with someone else? It's the car in your profile (Drives: 500 hp rocket), which hasn't changed for years. Here's a thread where we had this exact same discussion - amazing, huh?
geddy 25g on a mustang dyno
Notice the claimed 445whp on an MD with only 121mph traps. An Evo trapping 445 at BR would be closer to 130mph traps. I never saw a follow-up to that thread from you showing better track numbers.
I never flamed this thread.
Yes, he's trying to claim numbers that are inflated without explaining why they are inflated, because he has no idea. He just thinks he has this ridiculous beast that puts down impossible power on a Mustang Dyno, when that dyno actually reads higher than a Dynojet based off what you've told us. For the 3rd time, I'm not saying you, the car, nor the dyno is messed up. All I'm saying is those numbers are on a different scale than what the community understands. It's all a matter of context. Is that not clear? I'll try to make it clear:
Buschur MD: Stock = 220whp, Modded = 320whp, Gain = 100whp
Taylor MD: Stock = 280whp, Modded = 380whp, Gain = 100whp
Now, without a caveat in the original post, we are led to believe this:
Buschur MD: Stock = 220whp, Modded = 320whp, gain = 100whp
Taylor MD: Stock = 220whp, Modded = 380whp, gain = 160whp
You can see how that would cause issues, yah?
geddy 25g on a mustang dyno
Notice the claimed 445whp on an MD with only 121mph traps. An Evo trapping 445 at BR would be closer to 130mph traps. I never saw a follow-up to that thread from you showing better track numbers.
I never flamed this thread.
Yes, he's trying to claim numbers that are inflated without explaining why they are inflated, because he has no idea. He just thinks he has this ridiculous beast that puts down impossible power on a Mustang Dyno, when that dyno actually reads higher than a Dynojet based off what you've told us. For the 3rd time, I'm not saying you, the car, nor the dyno is messed up. All I'm saying is those numbers are on a different scale than what the community understands. It's all a matter of context. Is that not clear? I'll try to make it clear:
Buschur MD: Stock = 220whp, Modded = 320whp, Gain = 100whp
Taylor MD: Stock = 280whp, Modded = 380whp, Gain = 100whp
Now, without a caveat in the original post, we are led to believe this:
Buschur MD: Stock = 220whp, Modded = 320whp, gain = 100whp
Taylor MD: Stock = 220whp, Modded = 380whp, gain = 160whp
You can see how that would cause issues, yah?
May 13, 2008, 04:10 PM
#103
Sorry didnt see this post, but you would understand at 445 with 121 trap speeds with stock clutch aint bad! I have sevral witness's on here too. But maybe its just werd to me, but the 2nd to last car to go on the dyno had hks catback, aem intake, stock boost with pill remove (21 back to 16) my tune only made 338 on our md. what i cant figure out is how taylors car made so much but maybe im wrong by saying hes got a beast compared to the other 4 evo 9's that showed up that day???? But if you read my posts correctly you will see that i did say this dyno does read higher than buschurs! so if his gain 100 with these little mods then good is what i say! I never tried to mis-lead taylor or anyone who dynoed saturday by telling them this dyno spits out low numbers, the only thing i ever said is that Mustang Dyno's are the best tuning device in the world!
No, 121 isn't impressive for 445whp even on a Dynojet much less a Mustang Dyno. If the clutch held for the dyno run, then it would hold even more on the drag run, because there is less load (high rpm = lower torque).
