Any results or times from the shoot out
May 27, 2008, 06:55 PM
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I also didnt read much of this thread but did happen to catch this.
I would expect an onlooker to lose interest when it broke 6 rear diffs in 2 races and looked like a pile of **** on the track. I did what I had to do to not look like a joke and yet still try and retain the respect of having an awd. The solid is not a performance enhancing mod it is a reliability mod.
I would expect an onlooker to lose interest when it broke 6 rear diffs in 2 races and looked like a pile of **** on the track. I did what I had to do to not look like a joke and yet still try and retain the respect of having an awd. The solid is not a performance enhancing mod it is a reliability mod.
May 27, 2008, 06:56 PM
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I watched shepard go faster and faster. I lost interest when I saw the american rear end in the car. no longer a mitsu platform.
Thanks for taking the time to repond, John. But it doesnt change my opinion at all. The bottom line is you changed the talon platform by installing an american rear end in a foreign car. and it wasnt even IRS. you had to hack the back of the car completely to have it installed. That is simply not pushing the limits of a platform. Its called changing it. I would have liked to see you continue to go faster and faster on the stock platform. If it meant limiting the car to 1.4 60fts to keep the rear end in one piece , so be it. that could have been done and you could have pushed the stock parts faster.
The solid is not a performance enhancing mod it is a reliability mod.
I would have to disagree with that statement. The solid rear end is far more capable of lower 60fts. That most definitely enhances the performance.
I watched shepard go faster and faster. I lost interest when I saw the american rear end in the car. no longer a mitsu platform.
I also didnt read much of this thread but did happen to catch this.
I would expect an onlooker to lose interest when it broke 6 rear diffs in 2 races and looked like a pile of **** on the track. I did what I had to do to not look like a joke and yet still try and retain the respect of having an awd. The solid is not a performance enhancing mod it is a reliability mod.
I would expect an onlooker to lose interest when it broke 6 rear diffs in 2 races and looked like a pile of **** on the track. I did what I had to do to not look like a joke and yet still try and retain the respect of having an awd. The solid is not a performance enhancing mod it is a reliability mod.
The solid is not a performance enhancing mod it is a reliability mod.
I would have to disagree with that statement. The solid rear end is far more capable of lower 60fts. That most definitely enhances the performance.
May 27, 2008, 06:57 PM
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yep and at the end of the day people need to look at the weight of the car w/ driver as that how sanctioned racing is also.. My car is 3085 w/ me.. My class rule is 2950lbs and before the end of the year i will have me and my car down to that weight guaranteed, and in street class trim still..
May 27, 2008, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 94AWDcoupe View Post
I watched shepard go faster and faster. I lost interest when I saw the american rear end in the car. no longer a mitsu platform.
Thanks for taking the time to repond, John. But it doesnt change my opinion at all. The bottom line is you changed the talon platform by installing an american rear end in a foreign car. and it wasnt even IRS. you had to hack the back of the car completely to have it installed. That is simply not pushing the limits of a platform. Its called changing it. I would have liked to see you continue to go faster and faster on the stock platform. If it meant limiting the car to 1.4 60fts to keep the rear end in one piece , so be it. that could have been done and you could have pushed the stock parts faster.
The solid is not a performance enhancing mod it is a reliability mod.
I would have to disagree with that statement. The solid rear end is far more capable of lower 60fts. That most definitely enhances the performance.
I watched shepard go faster and faster. I lost interest when I saw the american rear end in the car. no longer a mitsu platform.
Thanks for taking the time to repond, John. But it doesnt change my opinion at all. The bottom line is you changed the talon platform by installing an american rear end in a foreign car. and it wasnt even IRS. you had to hack the back of the car completely to have it installed. That is simply not pushing the limits of a platform. Its called changing it. I would have liked to see you continue to go faster and faster on the stock platform. If it meant limiting the car to 1.4 60fts to keep the rear end in one piece , so be it. that could have been done and you could have pushed the stock parts faster.
The solid is not a performance enhancing mod it is a reliability mod.
I would have to disagree with that statement. The solid rear end is far more capable of lower 60fts. That most definitely enhances the performance.
May 27, 2008, 07:08 PM
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haha, that's for freaking sure Mike! He is known as having THE QUICKEST AND FASTEST AWD 4 CYLINDER in the world. Not they guy who put a Ford rear end in it. haha
Not only do I NOT regret doing it to our car this time I am proud of the fact we did it. The next time we run the car is going to be at Pinks all out. Should make for some fun. I don't care if we make the field, it will be a great chance to run the car and do some further testing.
I am starting to seriously question the thought behind trying to get a 1,000+ whp EVO down the track. Everything gets much more difficult. It may be worth a shot taking my turbo/intercooler off my RS and bolting it to the black car just to see what it would do with a lot less HP.
Not only do I NOT regret doing it to our car this time I am proud of the fact we did it. The next time we run the car is going to be at Pinks all out. Should make for some fun. I don't care if we make the field, it will be a great chance to run the car and do some further testing.
I am starting to seriously question the thought behind trying to get a 1,000+ whp EVO down the track. Everything gets much more difficult. It may be worth a shot taking my turbo/intercooler off my RS and bolting it to the black car just to see what it would do with a lot less HP.
May 27, 2008, 07:14 PM
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Master Shep will always be the best in my book irespective of how he did it
I have been to his facility and seen all the hard work he does personally to stay on top - he is no joke
Al
May 27, 2008, 07:17 PM
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takeout Al, the 9sec legal cage and other saftey equipment needed, that makes that car well into the 2675-2725lb area
thats a light "street-non gutted " evo...
Now that I think about it, that's a lot lighter than "Dan B's" car last year when it ran 9.2 @ 156
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this thread is turning even me to join in
thats a light "street-non gutted " evo...
Now that I think about it, that's a lot lighter than "Dan B's" car last year when it ran 9.2 @ 156
Excuses
this thread is turning even me to join in
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May 27, 2008, 07:19 PM
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I am starting to seriously question the thought behind trying to get a 1,000+ whp EVO down the track. Everything gets much more difficult. It may be worth a shot taking my turbo/intercooler off my RS and bolting it to the black car just to see what it would do with a lot less HP.
Your accomplishments with the Gt35 this weekend really both impressed me and revolutionized my thinking on the subject
It just goes to show what hard work and R & D can do witrh refining a set up to maximize the potential of a given set up
it is amazing to see a Gt35 car trapping 150
it is even more amazing to see so many customers of Buschur driving to the track and running those kind of times on mildly modified street cars
at the end of the day what they are doing seems like a lot more fun to me
May 27, 2008, 07:22 PM
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Thanks for taking the time to repond, John. But it doesnt change my opinion at all. The bottom line is you changed the talon platform by installing an american rear end in a foreign car. and it wasnt even IRS. you had to hack the back of the car completely to have it installed. That is simply not pushing the limits of a platform. Its called changing it. I would have liked to see you continue to go faster and faster on the stock platform. If it meant limiting the car to 1.4 60fts to keep the rear end in one piece , so be it. that could have been done and you could have pushed the stock parts faster.
I would have to disagree with that statement. The solid rear end is far more capable of lower 60fts. That most definitely enhances the performance.
I would have to disagree with that statement. The solid rear end is far more capable of lower 60fts. That most definitely enhances the performance.
Slowing the car down off the launch would not have completely eliminated the rear end breakage problem as the car was still breaking parts AFTER it was already moving. This is drag racing, you can't build a good 1/4 mile car if you have to sacrifice the most vital part of getting good ET's. If that had to be done then why bother drag racing we could just join the rest of the homo's out there doing highway roll races. No thanks.
While in theory the solid rear should be a performance advantage we still have not seen the light of it. The car pulled 1.2 60's on the IRS rear end and has managed the same with the solid axle. Reliability and safety was the key and the light has been seen from that perspective. Until you've strapped yourself into a 7 second 190+mph car you can not fathom how nerve racking it is to not know what the car is going to do during the next pass.
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May 27, 2008, 07:23 PM
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takeout Al, the 9sec legal cage and other saftey equipment needed that makes that car well into the 2675-2725lb area
thats a light "street non gutted " evo...
Now that I think about it, that's a lot lighter than "Dan B's" car last year when it ran 9.2 @ 156
Excuses
this thread is turning even me to join in
thats a light "street non gutted " evo...
Now that I think about it, that's a lot lighter than "Dan B's" car last year when it ran 9.2 @ 156
Excuses
this thread is turning even me to join in What matters is that my car weighs in over 3100 lbs when I am ready to take a pass down the track with my full exhuast which was not in the car this weekend
I saw Dan B's car at the shootout last year and it is a straight out gutted shell - I could make lists of what is in and what is not in but who cares
At the end of the day results speak louder than words - NO excuses
I have been in the 9's with my Evo now 4 years in a row
Al
May 27, 2008, 07:26 PM
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It is amazing how kind and decent he can be when surounded by hundreds of people asking his stupid questions. I remember what a great and nice guy he was when I approached him at a race back in '03. Guys like him are few and far between.
I am looking forward to seeing his car again when it finally returns to the track.
I am looking forward to seeing his car again when it finally returns to the track.
May 27, 2008, 07:26 PM
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haha, that's for freaking sure Mike! He is known as having THE QUICKEST AND FASTEST AWD 4 CYLINDER in the world. Not they guy who put a Ford rear end in it. haha
Not only do I NOT regret doing it to our car this time I am proud of the fact we did it. The next time we run the car is going to be at Pinks all out. Should make for some fun. I don't care if we make the field, it will be a great chance to run the car and do some further testing.
I am starting to seriously question the thought behind trying to get a 1,000+ whp EVO down the track. Everything gets much more difficult. It may be worth a shot taking my turbo/intercooler off my RS and bolting it to the black car just to see what it would do with a lot less HP.
Not only do I NOT regret doing it to our car this time I am proud of the fact we did it. The next time we run the car is going to be at Pinks all out. Should make for some fun. I don't care if we make the field, it will be a great chance to run the car and do some further testing.
I am starting to seriously question the thought behind trying to get a 1,000+ whp EVO down the track. Everything gets much more difficult. It may be worth a shot taking my turbo/intercooler off my RS and bolting it to the black car just to see what it would do with a lot less HP.
Ill guarantee the black car still runs 8.99 or better with a 35r hta on it.. if you can go 9.20 in the RS which i am sure it will happen. Then no doubt the black car would run 8's @ low 160's.. Not sure if its worth your time to do but it would be fun to see nevertheless!!
May 27, 2008, 07:29 PM
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The car was not hacked apart whatsoever to put the rear end into Johns car. It wasn't a back half and IMO isn't any different than putting a non-OEM IRS(ie 300gt Rear end) unit in it. It utilized the factory strut mounts and the tires were contained within the factory wheel wells. The latest rounds of mods that John has chosen to do were for safety and to meet the rules of competition for the ET the car is capable of producing.
Slowing the car down off the launch would not have completely eliminated the rear end breakage problem as the car was still breaking parts AFTER it was already moving. This is drag racing, you can't build a good 1/4 mile car if you have to sacrifice the most vital part of getting good ET's. If that had to be done then why bother drag racing we could just join the rest of the homo's out there doing highway roll races. No thanks.
While in theory the solid rear should be a performance advantage we still have not seen the light of it. The car pulled 1.2 60's on the IRS rear end and has managed the same with the solid axle. Reliability and safety was the key and the light has been seen from that perspective. Until you've strapped yourself into a 7 second 190+mph car you can not fathom how nerve racking it is to not know what the car is going to do during the next pass.
Slowing the car down off the launch would not have completely eliminated the rear end breakage problem as the car was still breaking parts AFTER it was already moving. This is drag racing, you can't build a good 1/4 mile car if you have to sacrifice the most vital part of getting good ET's. If that had to be done then why bother drag racing we could just join the rest of the homo's out there doing highway roll races. No thanks.
While in theory the solid rear should be a performance advantage we still have not seen the light of it. The car pulled 1.2 60's on the IRS rear end and has managed the same with the solid axle. Reliability and safety was the key and the light has been seen from that perspective. Until you've strapped yourself into a 7 second 190+mph car you can not fathom how nerve racking it is to not know what the car is going to do during the next pass.
I am not just saying that becuase I run a Shearer manifold btw
I can only imagine how nerve racking a 7 second 190 mph car is after bacisally haveing my hands tremble every time I get ready to do a pass in my 155 mph car. until you are the one winding it out to 9500 on 4th gear its hard to realize just what is involved. You are taking your life in your hands each and every time. Some of the individuals who are happily slicing and dicing their evos should think about saftey as it should be the # 1 priority.
Al