FP Red, E85, 454hp/408tq @ 26psi
Sep 6, 2008 | 08:05 AM
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Sep 6, 2008 | 11:36 PM
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The numbers on this dyno are always fully corrected, which is around 25-26%. If you take my numbers and add that much, it puts me around 410whp. So, these aren't big numbers, but they are still pretty decent. Take my times and add 45-50whp...pretty fast but not much faster than I expect to be with a Green. The Red has a lot more in it, but you can see that by the boost he's supposedly running.
:ON TOPIC:
Jason brought his Evo for me to install his turbo, cams and other goodies and we baselined the Evo before we did any work. It made 320whp & 317tq @ 22.9psia on 91octane. After installation and a few pulls on the dyno we cam up with 360whp & 319tq @ 21psia. Very impressive gain in horsepower and torque stayed the same because of the larger turbo.
We drained the tanks and filled her up with E85 and the very first pull netted 411whp @ 22psi. After 3 more pulls we ended up with 460whp & 411tq @ 26psi. At this point we are close to maxing out the load scaling and the stock coils could start to cause spark blow out as well. So we decided to leave it as is for the time being until Jason invests in a Spark-Teck COP and we might be able to just a bit further with the stock ECU but don't beleive we can hit 500 without switching to an AEM. The last thing that concerns me is his stock bottom end. I have had a few customers who were running close to 500whp on the stock bottom end and ended up chucking a stock rod through the side of the block on the street. I think that Jason would be rather upset if I called him telling him he needs a new engine because we were going for "numbers" instead of letting him enjoy his new 140hp & 100tq gain.
Lastly I would like to thank JustDSM (Justin Hebert) for helping out with the tune. He just got back from Iraq and I knew he has been itching (6 months) to tune on the dyno let alone see the results from the FP Red. Now if you can help me convince him not to sell his Evo IX.
Sep 6, 2008 | 11:40 PM
#22
Not to detract from the achievement. I agree that he is making good power. But, I have run 26.5# on my Green with 93 octane with zero knock at 3300 ft. It's been a while and I'd have to check the timing table.
But, this kinda begs the question...Why run a high timing/low boost tune on E85 if you want to take advantage of the Red's relatively high flowing compressor? Wouldn't you want to run a bit less timing and higher boost, especially at altitude? I am probably way off base with this line of reasoning, so correct me if I am wrong.
But, this kinda begs the question...Why run a high timing/low boost tune on E85 if you want to take advantage of the Red's relatively high flowing compressor? Wouldn't you want to run a bit less timing and higher boost, especially at altitude? I am probably way off base with this line of reasoning, so correct me if I am wrong.
From what I've seen, especially on 91 octane, the Evo (and potentially other FI platforms) respond better to more boost compared to timing increases.
Sep 18, 2008 | 12:38 PM
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483hp/441tq @ 28 psi
AEM EMS and Sparktech PRO COP installed...
New Numbers:
483 hp / 441 tq @ 28 psi @ 5200 ft elevation... boost is tapering, I think the culprit is the 18 psi hp wga paired with the Halman MBC, hell it could even be that we are running out of air to push because of altitude! Tuner is going to fiddle with the car alittle more to try to make 500 hp. I'll probably go to HKS EVC 6 next summer and have the cars tune touched up... should be able to hold 28-30 through all gears with this EVC properly setup.
New Numbers:
483 hp / 441 tq @ 28 psi @ 5200 ft elevation... boost is tapering, I think the culprit is the 18 psi hp wga paired with the Halman MBC, hell it could even be that we are running out of air to push because of altitude! Tuner is going to fiddle with the car alittle more to try to make 500 hp. I'll probably go to HKS EVC 6 next summer and have the cars tune touched up... should be able to hold 28-30 through all gears with this EVC properly setup.
It's much cheaper.
Sep 18, 2008 | 03:00 PM
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i'm so jealous god that car must be fun! I have heard bad things about the HKS EVC, but it is your money. I would try and get an aem tru boost. I've heard they work well as long as their set up correctly and your running a good boost solenoid.
Sep 18, 2008 | 03:19 PM
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It's user incompetence that mostly causes "heard bad things"...
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Sep 18, 2008 | 03:40 PM
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I had an HKS filter on there but the shop said they switched it out with either an AMS or AEM, can't remember exactly. Said they needed to switch it out because of one of the AEM sensors or the Sparktech or both... my attention span on the phone sucks!