450awhp Power Goal on 93oct
Sep 16, 2008 | 10:28 PM
#16
Ya I know... But to be fair, I didnt start it! 
Sep 17, 2008 | 08:19 AM
#18
Thanks, but I have some serious dough to drop first. I need to make sure this is the right setup. Oh and for big components, I figured I was going to go: 1. FMIC 2. Red 3. Cams, someone let me know if that's the right direction.
Sep 17, 2008 | 08:34 AM
#19
You will make 450whp without an issue with the EvoRED. Just look at one of the customers from AWD Motorsports. If you want someone to deal with/talk to about it, I think AWD Motorsports would be your best bet! They delt with it first hand.
Cant go wrong with any of the parts you mentioned! Good Luck!
Dan
Cant go wrong with any of the parts you mentioned! Good Luck!
Dan
Sep 17, 2008 | 11:07 AM
#21
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As others have stated FP Red wil net 450 pretty easily. Esp with cams. The intercooler argument is moot, both ETS and Buschur make quality products that work well.
I am wondering what Dave is cooking up?
I am wondering what Dave is cooking up?
Sep 17, 2008 | 11:25 AM
#22
Do you guys think it will be a further modified red or an entirely different turbo? I like the red because its outside profile is identical to the stock turbo so everything is packaged the same way...
Sep 17, 2008 | 11:30 AM
#23
If you can I would do the red and the cams at the same time to avoid having to tune it twice.
Sep 17, 2008 | 11:38 AM
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Dec 3, 2008 | 03:33 PM
#27
No red yet... I have an ETS 4" kit in the mail though. I wont be going buck wild on the power for a little bit yet as I need new rims and tires to house the even more expensive Stoptech ST60/ST22 BBK, bye bye 7k...
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Dec 3, 2008 | 05:20 PM
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Dec 3, 2008 | 05:44 PM
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From: New Joisey
The two major obsticals that I forsee when shooting for pump gas tunes are this:
1) Timing-
obviously running pump gas lower octane gas would require a more conservative timing map over a higher octane gas. Seeing how the car is a street car that may obtain gas from several different locations and manufacturers, the problem I forsee is the requirement to pull some excess timing to keep knock down and keep the car reliable on the street for different brands and quality gas it may be subjected to. Pulling timing becomes a double edged sword...
Pulling too much timing can cause the EGT's to rise drastically. Higher EGTs are good for melting things such as pistons and valves. The higher the EGTs the more porne you also become to detonation/knock.
Pulling to little timing may present issues if the quality of gas suddenly changes from the gas it was tuned on. This also would lead to detonation or preignition..
Seeing how I prefer to tune leaner AFR's and less timing, this becomes my major concearn. I tend to be conservative on the timing at all times, unless on good gas. The extra 15-20whp is not worth longevity. {thumbup**
2)AIT's (turbo efficiency)
attempting to make the most power on 93 would require the subtraction of timing, obviously robbing some power.Therefore some more boost needs to be added to make up for the lost power from the lack of aggressive timing. Now you have another dillema....
The efficency of the turbo...You need to know if raising your boost from 25psi to30 psi just turned your your turbo into a hair dryer blowing HOT air.. This hot air will raise AIT's and EGT's and increase combustion cylinder pressure and lead to detonation just the same. Additional Fuel will assist in cooling the cylinders down a bit to surpress the detonation, but now you just robbed you engine of power by dumping it pig rich..Putting you back in the same boat. Generally when I see EGT's rising towards dangerous levels while raising boost and pulling timing, I begin to realize the limit of that particular car and modifications.
One way i love to combat the above is the addition of a methenol system. However i can not stress enough to those of you to get one with a failsafe signaling system that will let you know if it stops spraying. On some systems you can wire it up to convert back to a less agressive timing and fuel map as well as lower boost map, should it go empty or malfunction. I love the AEM system personally, it has a ground intterupt fail safe wire that can be wired to some EMS's and also an LED that alerts the user of malfunction.
Personally seeing how expensive the buildups generally are, I would always opt for the safest route, not the most aggressive. I like to leave the record setting to the race cars, and the driving longevity to the street cars. {thumbup**
Hope this helps..
1) Timing-
obviously running pump gas lower octane gas would require a more conservative timing map over a higher octane gas. Seeing how the car is a street car that may obtain gas from several different locations and manufacturers, the problem I forsee is the requirement to pull some excess timing to keep knock down and keep the car reliable on the street for different brands and quality gas it may be subjected to. Pulling timing becomes a double edged sword...
Pulling too much timing can cause the EGT's to rise drastically. Higher EGTs are good for melting things such as pistons and valves. The higher the EGTs the more porne you also become to detonation/knock.
Pulling to little timing may present issues if the quality of gas suddenly changes from the gas it was tuned on. This also would lead to detonation or preignition..
Seeing how I prefer to tune leaner AFR's and less timing, this becomes my major concearn. I tend to be conservative on the timing at all times, unless on good gas. The extra 15-20whp is not worth longevity. {thumbup**
2)AIT's (turbo efficiency)
attempting to make the most power on 93 would require the subtraction of timing, obviously robbing some power.Therefore some more boost needs to be added to make up for the lost power from the lack of aggressive timing. Now you have another dillema....
The efficency of the turbo...You need to know if raising your boost from 25psi to30 psi just turned your your turbo into a hair dryer blowing HOT air.. This hot air will raise AIT's and EGT's and increase combustion cylinder pressure and lead to detonation just the same. Additional Fuel will assist in cooling the cylinders down a bit to surpress the detonation, but now you just robbed you engine of power by dumping it pig rich..Putting you back in the same boat. Generally when I see EGT's rising towards dangerous levels while raising boost and pulling timing, I begin to realize the limit of that particular car and modifications.
One way i love to combat the above is the addition of a methenol system. However i can not stress enough to those of you to get one with a failsafe signaling system that will let you know if it stops spraying. On some systems you can wire it up to convert back to a less agressive timing and fuel map as well as lower boost map, should it go empty or malfunction. I love the AEM system personally, it has a ground intterupt fail safe wire that can be wired to some EMS's and also an LED that alerts the user of malfunction.
Personally seeing how expensive the buildups generally are, I would always opt for the safest route, not the most aggressive. I like to leave the record setting to the race cars, and the driving longevity to the street cars. {thumbup**
Hope this helps..
