i still cant get over the fact this guy is that blind to the fact that the Red has already proven to be a better turbo that the 30r hahaha

 

Just leave them be. Those who say 30R is better than FPred, just agree with them. Let them run it and when they get whopped by a FPred at the strip, he/she will humble themselves and be quiet. Let them learn an expensive lesson. LOL. You can lead a horse to water, but you cant force it to drink it. Oh wells.

 

It's all about the spool. A smaller turbo that can spool quicker yet still flow more up top with the bigger turbo's is what the FPRed turbo is showing. What the Red lacks in compressor housing size, makes up for it by spooling quicker and getting into boost at a lower rpm, making max power quicker.

 

here this is my car about month half ago at CBRD which dyno reads slightly lower tham Buschurs....my car has a stock IC stock block stock ecu.....93 Shell V-Power...fpred,M2's,basic bolt ons at 26psi tuned by Charlie/Kreionic the only person that well tune my car

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=364665

 

I just find it funny how vaboostn comes in here talking about how expensive a RED is LOL, which goes completely against the reason of it's own existence (oxymoron?).

 

pretty sweet, did you get a chance to time it yet?

 

hopefully heading to the track wed to get some pump gas times...not rreally sure what itll run ill be happy if it does low 11's then ill know whats needed over the winter for next season

The Red is the best stock appearing turbo out for sure...i baselined my car at 320/296 then switched to the red and o2dump and it did the 379/313 with a lot more left in it

 

Im running a GT30R with full race t3 manifold.

Im running 23psi. Im running a MAF Transltor with a true 4" intake.

I get full boost around 4200rpms. Its very responsive for a street car.

I wish I had a meth kit though, so I can pump it up to 30psi.

 

Let us know how it goes man, very interested in some time on a bolt on car .

 

 

Says who?? Compare a Red's spool to a T.S. 30r's spool...since they are both twin scroll... Twin scroll 30r will make full boost (~28-30psi) around 3600-3700rpms on an efficient setup. Will it give up top end to the red, yes its a slightly smaller turbo, thats obvious. I've seen twin scroll 35r's spool similar to a Red...and i know the 35r won't give anything up top.

 

Excellent question - I am also curious about this one...


Would like to see a FullRace TS 30R/35R kit vs. FP Red on a 2L with bolt-ons vs. a 2.3L Stroker...




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Compare the prices of a TS 30-35R kit to a RED while youre at it

 

There is little need for debate, as the arrival of the FP Red changes the picture as we knew it.

IF one is starting from scratch (i.e. factory turbo), the FP Red gives one a very potent turbo in a convenient, relatively inexpensive package. It makes perfect sense where one plans the FP Red to be the single, final turbo upgrade. For many persons, the FP Red is a capable, affordable route. You get a shoe-in, twinscroll turbo without all the ancillary work and costs associated with large turbo kits.

If one is NOT going to use an FP Red, a large turbo upgrade now seems to make sense only if the upgrade is a 35R or larger. Otherwise, one is spending more money, but not necessarily getting recouping his money's worth in performance.

But as always, when we see fancy results posted by vendors with cars that have countless hours of tweaking, tuning, and a wealth of upgrades, keep in mind the fine print that you see during a Jenny Craig commercial: "Results not typical . . . "

 

that wasn't the comparison...

Obviously for the money its a VERY good turbo, that has been established long ago. Is it the end all turbo?? i beg to differ, are other routes more expensive to obtain better results...sure, isn't that life? Turbos are a give and take relationship. Sure some perform better than others, but ususally a gain will come at the expense of another, be it spool, response, reliability , top end, etc.