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Michael@ETS, thanks for the great "debate". I think after reading your post #56 you and I are on the same page and I have nothing else further to add. Glad we could have a good discussion and not jump down each others throats.

I'd have to say at this point enough information has been given that anyone can make a choice on what to buy.

Thanks you.

 

David,

Thanks for your understanding!

Michael

 

Ams...ftw!!!!

 

lol, I love the people coming into this thread with nothing to add other than a vendor name.

 

Michael,

I was wondering if you might be able to explain:

(1) What is better about a dense core for a track only vehicle?

(2) How do you go about identifying a dense vs a non-dense core?

Isn't the purpose of an intercooler to exchange heat only? Wouldn't that mean a dense core would be better in all applications? Not just track?

Wouldn't a dense core hurt only if the car would start to overheat the radiator?

Thanks in advance!

David, if you have anything you care to share it would be appreciated as well.

 

a dense core will help with heat exchange but hurt air flow to the radiator. There is always trade offs

 

Jedi -

I'm not sure if you are trying to stir the pot or asking an honest question. Your asking me questions about a dense garrett core, when your core does not use a dense fin pack or offered with a dense fin pack.

The majority of your questions are answered in post #57

I also noticed you have an intercooler FAQ in your signature, but you seem to be asking me a ton of questions in regards to how an intercooler works and the design aspect.

I would recommend calling Nisei and getting a detailed explination of a dense fin pack. They might even have some testing laying around on the Garrett core vs Neisei core.

I would really like this post to go back on topic. If you have any intercooler questions I would be more then happy to help you out via PM.

Thanks,

Michael
ExtremeTurboSsytems

 

Custom frankenstein LICP FTW... It was an injen that was chopped where it necks down, and a spare piece of intercooler pipe laying around was used to fab up the new remaining piece. Now it is full 2.5" to the turbo inlet using a 2.5" to 2" reducer coupler... Half Black half Polished LOLZ

 

So are you saying that using a Garrett core will cause you to over heat? So Garrett cores are for track only usage?

I don't believe that and I'm sure David Buschur will also, disagree with that as well.

I was hoping Michael & David could really give me the specifics and insights of their companies approach to intercoolers.

Thanks guys!

 

Michael already did, he said his target audience is street and mild track cars... :wtf:

 

The only thing I can add to this mess of a thread is this:

The Buschur Race FMIC will NOT cause you're car to overheat. I run this FMIC EVERY day. When I say I daily drive my car I mean it. Every single day this summer I drove my Evo to and from work, the store, EVERYWHERE I went. I got stuck in traffic jams, drove it on 10 hour trips, and had some "spirited driving" beating the crap out of the car and never once had the car even get remotely hot.

 

Jedi,

That is incorrect. The Garrett core works great on cars that were designed with a FMIC in mind. If you take a look at the DSM's they ran a SMIC from the factory and have no ducting to radiator, if you installed a dense core this will cause over heating issues since there is a lack of air flow the radiator.

Most of this information has already been covered several times in this thread. See posts 55 to now.

This is why we offer a garrett core if the customer requests.

Our intercooler is not designed with just the Evolution in mind, we build intercoolers for several other vehicles. Most of the intercoolers we build are for cars with factory side mounts.

RX7, MK4 Supra, Mk3 Supra, Galant Vr4, 1G, 2G, 300zx, Protege, etc.

The list goes on and on. So it's very important to have a core that is efficient and supports good horsepower and allows optimal air to flow to the radiator. The Garrett core will not work in many of the applications above due to how dense the core is.


Thanks,

Michael

 

I went w/ ETS b/c of their long standing reputation since I owned my dsm before they were "ETS" and also b/c they make B-E-A-Utiful products and have oustanding CS! I have most all of their bolt on products on my car and they have been nothing but helpful to me. I can elaborate if someone wants me too, but I think its self evident by peoples interactions w/ ETS that they are the way to go.

 

Michael,

No, not trying to stir the pot just seeking clarification. I've come to find there are too many generalized terms being thrown around out there, which really don't mean anything anymore. Just appears to sound like it's important. For instance, when you mention a dense fin or dense pack. You fail to mention what the technical count actually is. What you might consider to be dense, I may not. So, basically I was looking for the response with the technical or specific count/measure. That way I will be able to determine on my own what I would consider to be dense, or base it on industry standard.

You're quick to mention the Nisei Engineering core I carry is not a dense core in comparison to the Garrett unit. I can't even address that statement because you've failed to provide me with the fin density measure. Based on my experience with Garrett cores. They make more than one design and density. The last Garrett core I've seen had a density of 18FPI but, I've seen as high as 20FPI and as low as 12FPI. All from the Garrett line up.

The post you mentioned (#57) is actually my post. https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...6&postcount=57

Did you mean #55? https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...4&postcount=55

I am aware I have a FAQ about FMIC's in my sig. I've asked you the questions regarding your product line since you would be the source and should have all the correct answers. I wouldn't want to get second hand information where some details are lost in translation.

Nisei Engineering does have some data on Garrett cores. When we became the Master Distributors for them we've actually were trained on all their products. As I mentioned above, I have seen (first hand) some of the different variations Garrett offers. I've also, seen other cores that weren't Garrett. I've been trained to understand and be able to identify the different fin designs as well.

So, again when I ask the questions, I'm actually looking for the technical or specification of the core so, I can better understand what you consider dense. Which will make it easier to cross reference the measure to industry standard and determine the benefits of heat transfer over pressure drop.

Thanks!

Jed aka Jerry