Yeah, without needing a manual to learn how to shift it, correctly. Doesn't that bother you a little that these tran's or whatever the problem is, is even there, what happened to "evolution'?? I personally think the new trans feels much better overall than the DSM's. I was very surprised when it ground like it did/does.

I was on the orignal talon-digest almost from day one right up untilthe end. I don't recall as many people having this problem with those cars. Maybe they did and I just didn't do my homework well enough before I bought this car. It's not a show stopper, but the fixes for it will kill my warantee. I have 2 other cars and 4 trucks to fix all the time, I wanted one car I didn't have to mess with too much.

Actually, I said pressure plate. I would have been happy just to get the stock clutch other countries got. I'm not sure if the downgraded pressure plate hurts or helps with the grind, I would think it would help, make pressure plate release sooner?? I don't agree that the upgraded pressure plate would have broken my trans. I beat the crap out of my talon with weaker trans (kinda nice to not have to worry about warantee back then), as much or more power than EVO, and highly upgraded clutch. Had no tranny problems, why would I in EVO if I ever drove it as hard.

OK, maybe I was little hard on ya,
, but it seemed like you were insinutating that anyone having problems just can't drive. I think you agree that this trans is a PIA to shift (hence all the rules). I think a modern perf. car should let you concentrate more on driving and not worrying about shifting. Thats the whole idea isn't it.

 

Pressure plate/flywheel........I was thinking while typing, which usually means I am gonna say something wrong.

From what I understand, we got a beefed up tranny as compared to the rest of the world, partially due to the American facination with drag racing. I think what Mitsu did with this car is like this:

This car is inherently quick but was built for cornering.....a perfact shoe-in for autocross.

When they finally broke down and said they were going to bring this car to the US, everyone wanted to know "how fast is it in the quarter mile" and crap like that. Mitsu was like "but it isn't built for grag racing" however, the Americans wouldn't listen. They had to have a fast quarter mile car.

So Mitsu strengthened the car up mechanically so that it can take the abuse of drag racing, but made the car have a weak link that could fail when subjected to the abuse of redneck antics.

Then, when people would bring the car in for a new clutch because they had been launching the car, Mistu could say "Stupid round-eye. This car was not made for drag racing. No soup for you!"

Well, that's my theory.

 

http://www.jumptronix.com/2g_go_faster/index.htm

 

once in a blue moon for me!!

 

My mechanic told me it’s normal. There were no metal shavings in the transmission oil at my 5000 mile service, yet I experience this on a daily basis. He told me to “drive the thing and break it in”.

 

I've noticed that when my car is cold, the 1st to 2nd, and 2nd to 3rd gear changes result in a slight "grind" as it goes into gear. Its not very loud, more a vibration through the shifter. Anybody who's driven a manual tranny for a while knows the "feeling" a tranny gives right before it's about to straight up grind. My friend with a 5 speed VR6 drove my car and commented how it "wanted to grind on the 2nd and 3rd." Again, it doesn't straight up grind, but the potential is there if that makes any sense.

Once the tranny is warmed up, 1st to 2nd is fine and only occasionally does the shift from 2nd to 3rd result in that "unsure" feeling. And yes, I've been driving a manual tranny for years and I know how to perfectly rev match, double clutch, etc. This has nothing to do with skills.

 

I would guess that it is just due to the cold temperature of the gear oil in there and the lack of lubrication as opposed to when it is warmed up.

I always let my car idle for at least 5 minutes before I drive it in the mornings. If i go somewhere, when I get ready to leave, I start the car and if the temperature needle isn't at least 3/4 of the way to the normal "warmed up" temperature reading, I let it sit for about a minute or two before driving off. This seems to result in smooth shifts and no chatter like some people complain about when they start driving and the car is still cold.

 

Hey everyone, just need to tell you that I had TONS of shavings in my trans oil at 4K. Changed it because of the noise. Changed it to Amsoil 75-90 sythetic and it got a lot quieter yet it was still clunking into 2nd. then at 5K I changed it again to GM-Syncromesh (3 qts) and it is AMAZINGLY smooth now!!! However the noise is back. What can you do! Mitsu dealer still says "oh they all do it and it's normal. The GM fluid is the way to go. Got it at a GM dealer for $9 qt. Worth every penny.

 

Mines not too bad I use the Mobile 1 synthetic as recomended I've never seen any shavings in my oil but by 4k miles its pretty dirty for sure.

 

my evo does it from time to time had the dealer check it out and they said that there nothing wrong with it. ill wait and see.

 

Mines a weird deal, When i got the car it would clunk from 2ed to 3ed. Tech said dont worry about it, i was like WTF so its just going to go away buy its self?? He is like yes. So 2,000 miles later the clunk is gone and it shifts like butter.
Ok another point I have been activly drag racing for about 8years. Honda civic, acura integra, nissan 300zx, and a nissan silvia (complete swap). Any way I have never had gear grinding problems Ever! Now with my evo if i try to race some one (just playing around) when i shift from 1st to 2ed it will grind one out of three times. But if i try to repeat the same shift. By my self, paying attention to everything then i cant get it to repeat. So this is telling me that my car needs longer to shift, or the clutch is not disengaging fast enough, or driver error. I did the ss line and restrictor mod and it did help. But the best help i have found is to do this. Keep my hand of the shifter. Only grab for the shifter when i have to shift. These way my clutch is in before my hand even touches the shifter and it will shift just fine. This may sound dumb and i have never had to do it on any of my other cars but it works. Also mine tranny is notchy.

 

it's your shifting. I was shifting fine for the past couple days, but tonight it felt kinda iffy. Felt like I can't do it right no matter how patient I was. I'll see how it go tomorrow.

 

Mine is EXACTLY the same. Just winding through the gears, not paying 110% attention, mine grinds 1-2. Went to the dealer, shifted 8 times in front of the tech, looks like an @$$ when it didn't grind once (cause I was really concentrating). Like you, I've had 27 man trans cars since I started driving, have raced a bunch (never raced the EVO). Heck, I can power shift my old bronco with a worn out 200 lb cast iron tranny, and that has exactly a 2:1 first to second gear ratio (huge spread). I know it's not me and yes it is annoying to want to go take a little joy ride and hear that Griiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiind! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

you obviously dont have this problem. It has nothing to do with how we are shifting. It happens to me when I shift into 3rd sometimes. I started a thread in the general forum and some ppl responded there.

Im taking mine into mitsu next week to have the svc mgr I went to with my gsx to take a drive in it.

 

shouldn't be clunking....bad tranny?