Full-race t4 1.06ar twin scroll HTAgt3582r tuned on stock motor results
Mar 20, 2009, 05:13 PM
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I personally don't think either camp needs to prove their products anymore than they already have. We all know how well the Buschur turbo kits perform, they are awesome. In respect to Full-Race twin-scroll, do a search and find a properly sorted and matched system... It’s even more impressive (IMHO). TS requires everything to work together in order to make it work properly no mis-matches.
Area under the curve and response is more important to me than a peak HP number. If I was a drag racer I’d get Buscher no questions asked, a few extra $$ I’d go a proper TS system for the street.
Area under the curve and response is more important to me than a peak HP number. If I was a drag racer I’d get Buscher no questions asked, a few extra $$ I’d go a proper TS system for the street.
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Mar 20, 2009, 05:44 PM
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Why do you think hes threatened? Just last year there has been 13 street cars with Buschur parts that went 9's. I havent seen much cars with full race TS kits achieving any of that. Actually I havent seen one do that. I'm not knocking these kits what so ever. I actually think it would be nice to have spool up like that but to say "you are so threatened" is pretty funny to me and very stupid of you.
Since the idea behind TwinScroll kits is to retain spool up, torque, and power under the curve there is no place for them in an arena that solely caters to going fast in a straight line, at WOT, for short periods of time.( Regardless of this fact all of the fast evos that are running 9's or quicker and are doing it on larger than T3 frame turbos are doing on TWIN SCROLL T4 turbos/manfiolds)
The places you see Twin Scroll setups dominating are places where the driver isn't always at WOT, which is basically everywhere but the drag strip...(again, even the top drag racing dogs are using twin scroll because they can spool up a bigger turbo that makes more power more effectively with twin scroll manifolds/housings than with single scroll turbos.
For anybody that has access to the internet, a quick 30 minutes spent browsing on Google can give you all the answers to the benefits of Twin Scroll setups, if you still don't buy it, go work for Garrett/Mitsubishi/BorgWarner and tell them they are doing it wrong.
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Mar 20, 2009, 05:53 PM
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I have a TS Setup and I love it. I put 499awhp on a Mustang Dyno on pump and trapped 125mph @24.8 lbs of boost. I see that boost at 4300 rpms on cold weather days and at 4500 rpms in the summer. So for the street I consider my TS T4 setup the perfect choice.
Mar 20, 2009, 06:22 PM
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Benefits of twin scroll are improved response and spool up, NOT top end power. Spool up shows up a bit on a dyno, but not response. One test I'd like to see is on the road, and comparing spool up of a twin scroll vs. single. Maintain a constant 4k rpm in 3rd or 4th gear and floor it.
What's the purpose of twin scroll? One, it separates the exhaust pulses of the cylinders firing 180 degrees apart from interfering with each other. Same basic principle as used in tri-Y headers. Two, it keeps the exhaust velocity up all the way to the turbine wheel; hence, helps response and spool-up.
Mar 21, 2009, 06:01 AM
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It's not the combo you asked for, but I think it shows that TS is capable of more than good transient response
Mar 21, 2009, 07:24 AM
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My TS GT3076 @25psi on a stock block/head/ecu consistantly traps 126+ in a full weight car - 3360 w/driver. It has gone as fast as 128mph, but I have not backed that up yet. I've now added another fuel pump, to allow 30+psi on E-85. Current logs show a 50-60hp gain in power. I expect 130 traps next time I go to the track.
It's not the combo you asked for, but I think it shows that TS is capable of more than good transient response
It's not the combo you asked for, but I think it shows that TS is capable of more than good transient response
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Mar 21, 2009, 07:30 AM
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Back on topic though, TS is the BOMB!
Mar 23, 2009, 01:32 PM
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how did your old TS30R compare to your friends singlescroll 30R?
Mar 30, 2009, 03:33 PM
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Full-Race's primary market (Hondas) has pretty well proven the TS setups offer a lot more powerband while still reaching the peak numbers over the past 5 or so years. I find it funny that the EVO community is so slow to catch on when the car comes stock with a TS turbo that has proven to be a very impressive turbo bread from race winning technology. Has everybody forgot that EVOs are actually rally inspired (lots of dependence on overall powerband) and that Mitsubishi use to do pretty well in WRC?
Toyota use to do pretty well to, with their twin scroll turbo setups on the Celica Altrac in the early 90s, before the EVO was even a force to be reckoned with.
Toyota use to do pretty well to, with their twin scroll turbo setups on the Celica Altrac in the early 90s, before the EVO was even a force to be reckoned with.
Mar 30, 2009, 04:59 PM
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Full-Race's primary market (Hondas) has pretty well proven the TS setups offer a lot more powerband while still reaching the peak numbers over the past 5 or so years. I find it funny that the EVO community is so slow to catch on when the car comes stock with a TS turbo that has proven to be a very impressive turbo bread from race winning technology. Has everybody forgot that EVOs are actually rally inspired (lots of dependence on overall powerband) and that Mitsubishi use to do pretty well in WRC?
Toyota use to do pretty well to, with their twin scroll turbo setups on the Celica Altrac in the early 90s, before the EVO was even a force to be reckoned with.
Toyota use to do pretty well to, with their twin scroll turbo setups on the Celica Altrac in the early 90s, before the EVO was even a force to be reckoned with.
