Single Scroll GT3076R vs HTA35R or FPRED... for stock motor, need input
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On a serious note, welcome to the drama. Over the past two weeks, I've gone back and forth about the FP Red and the HTA35r (notice no mention to the 3076r). I won't kill you with those details unless you are interested later.
All of my comments are based on the fact that you said pump/93 at 23PSI is what we are working with.
Question #1: Would a HTA35r have a better powerband for a stock EVO IX motor then a GT3076r?
My first question would be which turbine housing are you considering (0.63 or 0.82)? Secondly, I would check out a couple threads that have dyno graphs for both the HTA35r and the FP Red on pump gas at the PSI setting of your choice.
I'm just taking a swing at the question but I'd assume that the 76r would have a higher average whp rating than the HTA35r but the HTA35r would have more available power under the curve than the 76r. Why do I say that? We all know the 76r would spool quicker than the HTA35r at ~3.9-4.2K whereas the HTA35r around ~4.5K. I have a buddy that's reaching full boost (25PSI) at 4.8K making ~470whp. At 23PSI on pump, again I believe the 76r would be around the 420whp mark whereas the HTA35r somewhere around the 450whp mark. Again, I don't have any graphs in front of me but maybe you do so you can refine the numbers.
If your goals are a better power band on pump, the BBK Full has been making some very impressive numbers up to about 27-30PSI. There are several CBRD threads out there for you to skim through for comparison purposes.
Since you already have the 76r with the 0.63 turbine housing along with a pretty nice list of upgraded parts, why not add meth to the equation and lower the boost as that would also give you a better power band at a fraction of the cost of your listed options.
For your FP Red option, I think it would be hard to get your asking price (not to sound negative) as there are many that believe the FP Red is superior to any 30-series turbos on the market.
Now if you are totally against meth, then the HTA might be your best bet economically. The Kelford Type-C cams are pretty sweet. They might not help with spool so a nice set of HKS 272s or even a 264/272 set up might be the preferred route. I'd submit that the ported intake manifold is pretty stout for the money.
I think I've babbled enough...
All of my comments are based on the fact that you said pump/93 at 23PSI is what we are working with.
Question #1: Would a HTA35r have a better powerband for a stock EVO IX motor then a GT3076r?
My first question would be which turbine housing are you considering (0.63 or 0.82)? Secondly, I would check out a couple threads that have dyno graphs for both the HTA35r and the FP Red on pump gas at the PSI setting of your choice.
I'm just taking a swing at the question but I'd assume that the 76r would have a higher average whp rating than the HTA35r but the HTA35r would have more available power under the curve than the 76r. Why do I say that? We all know the 76r would spool quicker than the HTA35r at ~3.9-4.2K whereas the HTA35r around ~4.5K. I have a buddy that's reaching full boost (25PSI) at 4.8K making ~470whp. At 23PSI on pump, again I believe the 76r would be around the 420whp mark whereas the HTA35r somewhere around the 450whp mark. Again, I don't have any graphs in front of me but maybe you do so you can refine the numbers.
If your goals are a better power band on pump, the BBK Full has been making some very impressive numbers up to about 27-30PSI. There are several CBRD threads out there for you to skim through for comparison purposes.
Since you already have the 76r with the 0.63 turbine housing along with a pretty nice list of upgraded parts, why not add meth to the equation and lower the boost as that would also give you a better power band at a fraction of the cost of your listed options.
For your FP Red option, I think it would be hard to get your asking price (not to sound negative) as there are many that believe the FP Red is superior to any 30-series turbos on the market.
Now if you are totally against meth, then the HTA might be your best bet economically. The Kelford Type-C cams are pretty sweet. They might not help with spool so a nice set of HKS 272s or even a 264/272 set up might be the preferred route. I'd submit that the ported intake manifold is pretty stout for the money.
I think I've babbled enough...
Im glad you understand my issue. I think i simply need to add meth/cams/intake manifold to the equation to my current setup.
Maybe kelford cams to start (not to expensive)
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it's because we arent a huge retail company... so keeping up with out BBK and radiator orders keeps us on our toes!!!!
we do have some interesting custom turbo options.
our TAK turbo is pretty awesome.... 35R power... quicker spool...
pm me or call for details. (if you call, you need to leave your name, number, best time to reach you so I can contact you when we both have dedicated time to discuss your needs!!!)
cheers
cb
we do have some interesting custom turbo options.
our TAK turbo is pretty awesome.... 35R power... quicker spool...
pm me or call for details. (if you call, you need to leave your name, number, best time to reach you so I can contact you when we both have dedicated time to discuss your needs!!!)
cheers
cb
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it's because we arent a huge retail company... so keeping up with out BBK and radiator orders keeps us on our toes!!!! we do have some interesting custom turbo options. our TAK turbo is pretty awesome.... 35R power... quicker spool... pm me or call for details. (if you call, you need to leave your name, number, best time to reach you so I can contact you when we both have dedicated time to discuss your needs!!!)
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it's because we arent a huge retail company... so keeping up with out BBK and radiator orders keeps us on our toes!!!!
we do have some interesting custom turbo options.
our TAK turbo is pretty awesome.... 35R power... quicker spool...
pm me or call for details. (if you call, you need to leave your name, number, best time to reach you so I can contact you when we both have dedicated time to discuss your needs!!!)
cheers
cb
we do have some interesting custom turbo options.
our TAK turbo is pretty awesome.... 35R power... quicker spool...
pm me or call for details. (if you call, you need to leave your name, number, best time to reach you so I can contact you when we both have dedicated time to discuss your needs!!!)
cheers
cb
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That is where my mind currently is but it could all change after a short phone call to the CBRD crew later this morning.