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Old Jun 24, 2009, 08:18 PM
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Cylinder Head Tech

Its been awhile since I have done a "tech article" and since it seemed the piston and rod ones were good discussions I thought it was about time to do one on cylinder heads.

As some of you may or may not know we have been offering cylinder head porting on a limited basis on our bigger engine builds since we already have the engine apart. Some things we have learned about the Evo head is that they are subject to core shift much as the earlier DSM heads were and the VIII seems to be really the most violently affected.

Here you can see the edge of the bowl where it was plunge cut prior to having the valve seat pressed in at the factory:



You see its a fairly uniform machine line showing that #4 on this bowl is about where it should be. By the time we get to #1, the mold has been shifting enough during casting that the bowl is now D shaped and definitely not flowing as much. This is really bad news since its the last port on the intake and has some really restricted ports.



The VIII also has for want of a better word mold/casting marks on the intake side of the head that further disturb flow:



Oddly enough the IX really doesnt seem to have core shift problems nor does it have those mold/casting marks on the intake side. They have them, but they are on the exhaust side of the head. I think alot has been made of MIVEC making power when it has more likely been substandard bowls and ports on the VIII robbing the horsepower. Here is a pic of the same off center bowl after some initial smoothing:





Exhaust side pic-



Now off to the machine shop to have the guides pressed out, a tanking, and then finish what you cant reach if they are in there. Its interesting to note that this head went on a 3582HTA car that at 23.5psi had made 428whp. After the head port and bottom end build (no other changes in the motor, compression was 9:1 so as close as we can get it) the car redyno'd at 478. It allowed for more timing which is where some of the power came from, but with better flow the car will naturally thrive.

I dont happen to have intake port pics of this particular head, but typically nothing more than bowl work and casting line smoothing is needed. The bowls of these heads have some pretty nasty ledges typically which really hurt balanced airflow. The exhaust is generally also not very good, but since the flow laps the ledges on the way out its not quite as critical. We dont leave them like the factory does though for sure. I have seen some heads that are so smooth stock they almost seem ported in comparison to the Evo heads. BMW for instance does not have flaws in the bowls and ports but since they are trying extract every bit of all motor power it makes perfect sense.

Hopefully this can be as interesting as the last article and get some good tech and pics flowing.

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Old Jun 24, 2009, 08:55 PM
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Great write-up! I wonder how much of the power advantage IX's have out of the box is related to the ports as you said, that is crazy! Thanks for the great article, I just got my ported head put back on my VIII, will be hitting the dyno soon for results!
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Very good article.

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Good stuff Aaron,

I've seen the same, the 8's have HORRIBLE core shift
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This is interesting because my Evo 8 head is off my car now and it doesn't look anything like the ones pictured. There are no machine mark from being plunge cut and the valve seats are perfectly flush in the head too. I was prepared to find exactly what you have pictured and was slightly dissapointed when I found there was nothing to really "clean up". I'll be glad to post some pics if you'd like. My car has always been strong for what it was. Maybe this is why? It is a 2005 model.
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Wow, really interesting. Great write up
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Originally Posted by Drifto
This is interesting because my Evo 8 head is off my car now and it doesn't look anything like the ones pictured. There are no machine mark from being plunge cut and the valve seats are perfectly flush in the head too. I was prepared to find exactly what you have pictured and was slightly dissapointed when I found there was nothing to really "clean up". I'll be glad to post some pics if you'd like. My car has always been strong for what it was. Maybe this is why? It is a 2005 model.
Ah mass production pieces eh? There's always room for improvement, One of these days I'll get a wild hair, yank mine, and put that flowbench back to use
Lemme know if you want to check flow balance after the fact, I don't know that I would trust the raw numbers just yet, but it would give me an excuse & incentive to work on the bench a bit more
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Also, to add a bit to the OP's post, it would seem that core shift might be fairly common across the board, I've seen all sorts of OEM heads that have issues like that (oddly enough, honda's don't really exhibit that), and it gets worse the further back you go in the timeline.

It also seems to be hit or miss, I've got 5 volvo 16v heads, some of them are just god awful, and a couple of them aren't bad at all (of course, as fate would have it, these also have issues elsewhere that prevent their use on the car).
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Good info!
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Wow, nice article dude.
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Originally Posted by Drifto
This is interesting because my Evo 8 head is off my car now and it doesn't look anything like the ones pictured. There are no machine mark from being plunge cut and the valve seats are perfectly flush in the head too. I was prepared to find exactly what you have pictured and was slightly dissapointed when I found there was nothing to really "clean up". I'll be glad to post some pics if you'd like. My car has always been strong for what it was. Maybe this is why? It is a 2005 model.
This came off an 03 and I have seen a few other 03s and an 04. Havent ported an 05 that I can recall. Its always about the monday morning head casting versus the wednesday sometimes too.

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^^or the Fri afternoon head casting

Thanks for the write up. I plan to pull mine this winter and do some cleanup. Its nice to see some pics of what Im in for.
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You said you haven't done an 05 VII yet, and I did port mine. I did port matching, knife edging of the divider, and inside the short radius etc. I didn't really open up the ports very much, just smoothing everything out. I do remember that the casting shift wasn't as bad as I have seen it, but there obviously was some as noted by when the intake exhaust mating surface was skimmed you could see on one side of the head there was a lip, and on the other side it was starting to cut into the cast surface. I have pictures of my entire porting process, I will find them and get some posted on here for this thread as well. Need to find them first.
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Here is a recent Jeff "Bushmaster" Bush Evo IX head I wanted to share before it goes on our customer's car and isnt seen from this angle again.

Pix speak for themselves-



















Now time for some valve guides, machine shop attention, and then its on the car.

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