HTA Green vs. BBK
Aug 10, 2009, 05:49 PM
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I really find it insulting when I keep on answering an A$$**** like you who understands nothing!!!
1- How did you assume that HTA will be better in terms of spool and resposnse
2- How did you assume that HTA Green will have a broader power band all along the curve?
3- How did you assume that HTA green will be more powerful but not more drivable since they already have a capable hp turbo(red)???
4- How did you assume that they will eventually beat the BBK afer benchmarking it??? Didnt you ask you self "what IF the BBK was at the margin, in which adjusting the power will hurt spool or vice versa???
Everyone here is talking LOGICALLY, saying "my car did this" "my car did that" and "lets see what this new turbo can do after we test it", except one sinlge brutally blinded smart*** who's already categorized this turbo and called it better!!!
Again, please shut the hell up and let us build this thread on FACTS, coz that the ONLY thing we need right now.. and for you, I would suggest you buying a big marker pen and write on the bedroom's wall "HTA Green is better" so that you neither bug us again, nor do you feel that the BBK is better!!!
1- How did you assume that HTA will be better in terms of spool and resposnse
2- How did you assume that HTA Green will have a broader power band all along the curve?
3- How did you assume that HTA green will be more powerful but not more drivable since they already have a capable hp turbo(red)???
4- How did you assume that they will eventually beat the BBK afer benchmarking it??? Didnt you ask you self "what IF the BBK was at the margin, in which adjusting the power will hurt spool or vice versa???
Everyone here is talking LOGICALLY, saying "my car did this" "my car did that" and "lets see what this new turbo can do after we test it", except one sinlge brutally blinded smart*** who's already categorized this turbo and called it better!!!
Again, please shut the hell up and let us build this thread on FACTS, coz that the ONLY thing we need right now.. and for you, I would suggest you buying a big marker pen and write on the bedroom's wall "HTA Green is better" so that you neither bug us again, nor do you feel that the BBK is better!!!
Aug 10, 2009, 09:22 PM
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You mean to tell me the sales person of a turbo company says their product is better than the competition? LOL. What was he supposed to do? Tell you his product is more expensive and crappier than the competitor? Come on man we want unbiased data, not the sales pitch.
Aug 10, 2009, 09:52 PM
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This almost ranks as the worst thread ever..... the HTA green only has one dyno sheet and its from some fully built stroker motor and I doubt we'll see another one anytime soon because the vendor is still back logged from the last three turbos they couldn't deliver.... or dare I say rebuild fast enough.
In a way I'm sick and tired of these half arsed dyno plots promoting unrealistic results but then on the other hand I get a kick out of the dozens of people that will buy this turbo on plastic without even having the supporting mods for it. Its like watching a modern day 3 stooges show in the forum!!! LOL carry on.
In a way I'm sick and tired of these half arsed dyno plots promoting unrealistic results but then on the other hand I get a kick out of the dozens of people that will buy this turbo on plastic without even having the supporting mods for it. Its like watching a modern day 3 stooges show in the forum!!! LOL carry on.
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Aug 12, 2009, 07:48 AM
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From what I've learned the stock ECU may get away with smaller injectors than a standalone, and also I've read where some tuners let the afr's drift up to 12 with E85... so there's a few things that will weigh into your question.. you could also pick a turbo, max out the fuel system and then decide if that's enough, even if you don't get 100% of what the turbo can do, you will still get the big torque hit from the E85 tune
Aug 12, 2009, 08:09 AM
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The 1200's I have were precisions that apparently are really only about 1120, those and the double pumper are at like 98% in 4th but still making 11.5 afr..
From what I've learned the stock ECU may get away with smaller injectors than a standalone, and also I've read where some tuners let the afr's drift up to 12 with E85... so there's a few things that will weigh into your question.. you could also pick a turbo, max out the fuel system and then decide if that's enough, even if you don't get 100% of what the turbo can do, you will still get the big torque hit from the E85 tune
From what I've learned the stock ECU may get away with smaller injectors than a standalone, and also I've read where some tuners let the afr's drift up to 12 with E85... so there's a few things that will weigh into your question.. you could also pick a turbo, max out the fuel system and then decide if that's enough, even if you don't get 100% of what the turbo can do, you will still get the big torque hit from the E85 tune
Aug 12, 2009, 10:58 AM
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I'm just looking into what turbo I plan on buying for next year. I would like something that doesn't sacrifice spool for power but I could possibly be convinced if the lag and transient response (which is something I haven't seen being discussed in this thread) is minimal.
My car will mainly be a fun weekend (few days a week) car. Some track time some drag time...but primarily serve as a toy I can pull out of the garage when my friends with stock Vipers/Vettes and higher end Lexus's start talking crap. LOL.
Aug 27, 2009, 05:17 PM
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For those concerned about turn around times on the HTA Green turbo
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/se...e-13-days.html
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/se...e-13-days.html
Aug 28, 2009, 10:47 AM
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Can i get the same power from a standard Green housin than a 80mm???
did somebody has dyno sheets on a standard Green!
Thanks
did somebody has dyno sheets on a standard Green!
Thanks
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May 24, 2010, 07:40 PM
#178
Raising this thread back up...read through it and it was just too much arguing not many numbers before, but fast forward almost a year to now and there should be better information, right?...anyone what to chime in?
I'm looking to get a turbo upgrade and any information would be great!! Thanks!
I'm looking to get a turbo upgrade and any information would be great!! Thanks!
May 24, 2010, 07:47 PM
#179
Every thread you are going to see comparing the two will turn out like this one... an argument. Someone (hopefully a respectable shop) will have a built 2.0 test car and do just a simple turbo swap between these two and post up numbers. I was hoping that Mike@AWD was going to in their stock framed turbo shootout, but he passed on doing the HTA Green and went for another HTA turbo... Not sure which actually..
FWIW I just made ~500/500 on a DynoDynamics with the HTA Green on a built 2.1
FWIW I just made ~500/500 on a DynoDynamics with the HTA Green on a built 2.1
