HTA Green vs. BBK
Aug 7, 2009, 06:15 PM
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IM OFF TOPIC , BUT IM IN THE REAL WORLD
1. Anibal BBQ / 5/27/09 / Anibal BBQ / Evo 9 / FP RED, AEM, SparkTech Pro CDI system / 9.527ET
2. Most-Wanted / 02/06/09 / AWDMOTORSPORTS / Evo 9 / FP RED, Buschur Built 2.0L, E85, Crispeed Tuned / 9.535ET
3. Ryu / 4/9/09 / TTP Engineering / Evo 9 / FP RED, 93oct+meth / 6.679 / 10.301ET
4. David Buschur (driven by Trent Stanley) / 07/07/09 / Buschur Racing / Evo 8 / FP RED, BR2.3, E85, StockECU / 6.826 / 10.353ET
5. StreetThisEVO / 7/24/09 / Buschur Racing / Evo 9 / FP RED, BR2.0, E85, Stock ECU / 6.7559 / 10.5080ET
6. OKIX / 3/19/09 / Buschur Racing / Evo 9 / FP GREEN , BR 2.0/ 6.79 / 10.56ET
7. Diiirk / 1/10/09 / AWD Motorsports / Evo 9 / FP GREEN, E85, Jestr Tuned, Stock Motor / 10.72ET
8. CWiLL / 4/15/09 / CWiLL / Evo 8 / FP RED, E85, stockecu / 7.1 / 10.82ET
9. DanniEVOIX / 13-06-2009 / My Self / Evo 9 / FP RED, Stock motor, 93oct / 11.027ET
10. Silk / 7/11/09 / DB & MAP / Evo 8 / FP RED, GSC S1s, Stock block, Full weight, Street tires, E85 / 11.107ET
11. marrrk / 5/31/09/ Strictly Modified / Evo 9 / FP GREEN, e85 / 7.19 / 11.197ET
12. Liqquid / 5/24/09 / Switzer Performance / Evo 8 / FP GREEN, Pro-EFI ecu, E85 / 11.29ET
13. Fookster / 7/11/09 / MAPerformance / Evo 8 / MAP SST, AEM, BC 280s, Built 2.0, E85 / 11.348ET
14. nochance / 5/24/09/ Myself & My Wife / Evo 8 MR / FP RED, Built 2.0L, 93oct, Buschur Tune / 11.409ET
15. Evo2wish4 / 5/15/09 / TTP Eng. / Evo 9 / FP RED, 93oct+meth, Full Weight / 7.46 / 11.413ET
16. WannaRace / 06/26/2009 / Myself / Evo 8 / FP RED, E85 / 11.455ET
17. markymark1082 / 6/4/09 / TTP Engineering / Evo 8 / FP RED, 93oct / 7.452 / 11.610ET
18. Macaroni / 07/02/09 / Myself / Evo 8 / FP RED, pump gas / 11.61ET
19. R/TErnie / 6/12/09 / R/TErnie Race Engineering / Evo 9 / FP RED, EcuFlash, pump/race gas mix / 7.752 / 11.970ET
20. silver9mr / 6/12/09 / Myself / Evo 9 MR / FP RED, 93 pump / 11.98ET
AS i said before bbk or fp green , there both good turbos , i heard , and listened about bbk , now its my turn to do green talking ..
no intention to offend bbk , results r results like it or not , map made it to the list , i would love to get bbk in there i know there capable , but till i see some bbk in there , even the old green is a good choice
1. Anibal BBQ / 5/27/09 / Anibal BBQ / Evo 9 / FP RED, AEM, SparkTech Pro CDI system / 9.527ET
2. Most-Wanted / 02/06/09 / AWDMOTORSPORTS / Evo 9 / FP RED, Buschur Built 2.0L, E85, Crispeed Tuned / 9.535ET
3. Ryu / 4/9/09 / TTP Engineering / Evo 9 / FP RED, 93oct+meth / 6.679 / 10.301ET
4. David Buschur (driven by Trent Stanley) / 07/07/09 / Buschur Racing / Evo 8 / FP RED, BR2.3, E85, StockECU / 6.826 / 10.353ET
5. StreetThisEVO / 7/24/09 / Buschur Racing / Evo 9 / FP RED, BR2.0, E85, Stock ECU / 6.7559 / 10.5080ET
6. OKIX / 3/19/09 / Buschur Racing / Evo 9 / FP GREEN , BR 2.0/ 6.79 / 10.56ET
7. Diiirk / 1/10/09 / AWD Motorsports / Evo 9 / FP GREEN, E85, Jestr Tuned, Stock Motor / 10.72ET
8. CWiLL / 4/15/09 / CWiLL / Evo 8 / FP RED, E85, stockecu / 7.1 / 10.82ET
9. DanniEVOIX / 13-06-2009 / My Self / Evo 9 / FP RED, Stock motor, 93oct / 11.027ET
10. Silk / 7/11/09 / DB & MAP / Evo 8 / FP RED, GSC S1s, Stock block, Full weight, Street tires, E85 / 11.107ET
11. marrrk / 5/31/09/ Strictly Modified / Evo 9 / FP GREEN, e85 / 7.19 / 11.197ET
12. Liqquid / 5/24/09 / Switzer Performance / Evo 8 / FP GREEN, Pro-EFI ecu, E85 / 11.29ET
13. Fookster / 7/11/09 / MAPerformance / Evo 8 / MAP SST, AEM, BC 280s, Built 2.0, E85 / 11.348ET
14. nochance / 5/24/09/ Myself & My Wife / Evo 8 MR / FP RED, Built 2.0L, 93oct, Buschur Tune / 11.409ET
15. Evo2wish4 / 5/15/09 / TTP Eng. / Evo 9 / FP RED, 93oct+meth, Full Weight / 7.46 / 11.413ET
16. WannaRace / 06/26/2009 / Myself / Evo 8 / FP RED, E85 / 11.455ET
17. markymark1082 / 6/4/09 / TTP Engineering / Evo 8 / FP RED, 93oct / 7.452 / 11.610ET
18. Macaroni / 07/02/09 / Myself / Evo 8 / FP RED, pump gas / 11.61ET
19. R/TErnie / 6/12/09 / R/TErnie Race Engineering / Evo 9 / FP RED, EcuFlash, pump/race gas mix / 7.752 / 11.970ET
20. silver9mr / 6/12/09 / Myself / Evo 9 MR / FP RED, 93 pump / 11.98ET
AS i said before bbk or fp green , there both good turbos , i heard , and listened about bbk , now its my turn to do green talking ..
no intention to offend bbk , results r results like it or not , map made it to the list , i would love to get bbk in there i know there capable , but till i see some bbk in there , even the old green is a good choice
Aug 7, 2009, 06:35 PM
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Look I am not any turbo guru thats for sure, still new to this game. Why are we even comparing apples to oranges here? I mean the CBRD are supposably suggesting installing a RED over their own BBK for a drag car right? In my mind that doesn't make the RED superior cause everybodies gettin better 1/4 mile times. Numbers are numbers in my book and power curves are exactly that as well! So what makes one turbo superior??? Nada, to each his own. A BBK maybe more suited for me cause I want a faster spool and broad power curve n for a little drag maybe a track day and the street. The RED is suited for X cause he wants to get slammed in his seat at 4k rpm and probably very good 1/4 mile times with high hp numbers. Maybe X likes to shift early and doesn't mind a bit of lag as oppose to someone who wants instant spool. Just my o2 take it with a grain of salt and purchase a turbo with a purpose for which your gonna use it for!
Aug 7, 2009, 06:45 PM
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Look I am not any turbo guru thats for sure, still new to this game. Why are we even comparing apples to oranges here? I mean the CBRD are supposably suggesting installing a RED over their own BBK for a drag car right? In my mind that doesn't make the RED superior cause everybodies gettin better 1/4 mile times. Numbers are numbers in my book and power curves are exactly that as well! So what makes one turbo superior??? Nada, to each his own. A BBK maybe more suited for me cause I want a faster spool and broad power curve n for a little drag maybe a track day and the street. The RED is suited for X cause he wants to get slammed in his seat at 4k rpm and probably very good 1/4 mile times with high hp numbers. Maybe X likes to shift early and doesn't mind a bit of lag as oppose to someone who wants instant spool. Just my o2 take it with a grain of salt and purchase a turbo with a purpose for which your gonna use it for!
Aug 7, 2009, 07:22 PM
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Look I am not any turbo guru thats for sure, still new to this game. Why are we even comparing apples to oranges here? I mean the CBRD are supposably suggesting installing a RED over their own BBK for a drag car right? In my mind that doesn't make the RED superior cause everybodies gettin better 1/4 mile times. Numbers are numbers in my book and power curves are exactly that as well! So what makes one turbo superior??? Nada, to each his own. A BBK maybe more suited for me cause I want a faster spool and broad power curve n for a little drag maybe a track day and the street. The RED is suited for X cause he wants to get slammed in his seat at 4k rpm and probably very good 1/4 mile times with high hp numbers. Maybe X likes to shift early and doesn't mind a bit of lag as oppose to someone who wants instant spool. Just my o2 take it with a grain of salt and purchase a turbo with a purpose for which your gonna use it for!
Aug 7, 2009, 07:36 PM
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Really the SST is like 5 weeks old....
You beat me too it! lol
Its all about compromise. People are whining about time. You want to make power and you want to make it NOW. Well - you can have one or the other.
Would you buy a fast turn around long block that is currently mildly unproven - over a 10+ year company (ams, BR, etc) long block that you may have to wait 2 months for?
I bought my red because - I want a street beast. Not an almost street beast I can drive right now.
Next I will have my buschur long block. because I know it wont break.
But I bet I will have to wait for it. Guess Ill just ... deal with it. 
Its all about compromise. People are whining about time. You want to make power and you want to make it NOW. Well - you can have one or the other.
Would you buy a fast turn around long block that is currently mildly unproven - over a 10+ year company (ams, BR, etc) long block that you may have to wait 2 months for?
I bought my red because - I want a street beast. Not an almost street beast I can drive right now.
Next I will have my buschur long block. because I know it wont break.
But I bet I will have to wait for it. Guess Ill just ... deal with it.
Aug 7, 2009, 11:12 PM
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maybe if fp would get a couple of these new greens out we wouldnt have to use the red for a comparison, but as of now there is not much data on the new green and people seem to be getting impatient.
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Aug 8, 2009, 06:22 AM
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im curious what the green can do.... the original was never a "bad" turbo... it is honestly what inspired me to build the BBK...... 
as for 1/4 mile times again... i cant tell you of many of our clients that have ever said to me "i went to the track this weekend" LOL!! thats the problem!
I would love to get someone to let me tune their car on E85 on their BBK and go to the strip with them to see what they can do... Its obvious what experience at the drag strip does...
I went one time with the guys from blouch, and through logging their car once down the strip i made some small ecu changes to the launch control and fueling and they dropped 5 tenths in one single pass... just goes to show that people that are making these lists have been to the track more than one time and know the drill....
maybe ill get a BBK put together for someone that drag races alot even though thats not really our thing!
cheers
cb
as for 1/4 mile times again... i cant tell you of many of our clients that have ever said to me "i went to the track this weekend" LOL!! thats the problem!
I would love to get someone to let me tune their car on E85 on their BBK and go to the strip with them to see what they can do... Its obvious what experience at the drag strip does...
I went one time with the guys from blouch, and through logging their car once down the strip i made some small ecu changes to the launch control and fueling and they dropped 5 tenths in one single pass... just goes to show that people that are making these lists have been to the track more than one time and know the drill....
maybe ill get a BBK put together for someone that drag races alot even though thats not really our thing!
cheers
cb
Aug 8, 2009, 08:20 AM
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Whoa! My has this thread picked up some steam. Bottom line, the BBK Full on E85 easily makes over 440whp (Mustang) that a small calculation shows that it has the potential of running some very good 1/4-mile times. Of course, this doesn't take in account the driver factor. At the end of the day, a good set of supporting parts is and will always be the key to any set up.
Aug 8, 2009, 09:35 AM
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As for who did my tune...Its a guy on here named Jer.k or some varient of that..he does not post much anymore..the guy loves to tune evos. Those times were done on my Daily Driver tune. 23 Psi is under where the BBK full starts to shine..can't wait to get my engine back togather and find out what it can really do.
Aug 8, 2009, 09:42 AM
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Look I am not any turbo guru thats for sure, still new to this game. Why are we even comparing apples to oranges here? I mean the CBRD are supposably suggesting installing a RED over their own BBK for a drag car right? In my mind that doesn't make the RED superior cause everybodies gettin better 1/4 mile times. Numbers are numbers in my book and power curves are exactly that as well! So what makes one turbo superior??? Nada, to each his own. A BBK maybe more suited for me cause I want a faster spool and broad power curve n for a little drag maybe a track day and the street. The RED is suited for X cause he wants to get slammed in his seat at 4k rpm and probably very good 1/4 mile times with high hp numbers. Maybe X likes to shift early and doesn't mind a bit of lag as oppose to someone who wants instant spool. Just my o2 take it with a grain of salt and purchase a turbo with a purpose for which your gonna use it for!
Aug 8, 2009, 10:22 AM
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We can suggest getting CBRD to get a BBKed evo an set it up for some drag but its not what this turbo is designed for in the first place right? If CBRD wants to set something up to prove a point that IT CAN be a great drag turbo than more power to the BBK and CBRD. Honestly if they want to get large numbers of this turbo to be sold and they want the hype of the RED than their going to have to cater to the common evo owner. If not their turbo stays where its at, a great road racing, street turbo geared to a CERTAIN customer with specific intentions or wants of a product just like the RED customers.