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Old Oct 9, 2003 | 03:32 PM
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Bahh, you = CT, me = MO
We have a dyno day planned here (St. Louis) at an awd dyno. Its currently set up with works, but we were all expecting a $550 - $600 generic chip. I would love to have a custom tuned chip. We'll have to see how this whole thing plays out. Maybe a midwest dyno day will be in your future......
With WORKS current prices I would much rather go with a Dynoflash GB in St. Louis next month than the currently scheduled Works GB here...

is it too late to switch vendors for the November 1st group buy at Axis?? Have a dynoflash day instead of a Works day?

Maybe we should SERIOUSLY discuss this option in light of the P2's initial pricing...
Old Oct 9, 2003 | 05:11 PM
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We are trying to get something going down south, check out this thread if interested.

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...threadid=43322

I went over to Alamo Autosports in Arlington today and on Monday I will try to find out a price to use their dyno all day one sat. If we have about 10 people who are interested then we can try to set a date and get the ball rolling. If possible I would not mind aiming for early to mid November.
Old Oct 9, 2003 | 05:18 PM
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Would the dealer know that the ECU has been flashed?
Different version code?

Also dealers typically reflash ECUs to fix various problems.
Warranty items, recall, etc.

Do you store our custom tune somewhere incase the dealer reflashes the ECU back to stock?

How much would it be to reflash a second time after further mods.
Say I get stage 0, then about 6 months later I install exhaust, intake...and I want to get redyno tuned?

thanks
Old Oct 9, 2003 | 05:33 PM
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Al

Would the dealer know that the ECU has been flashed?
Different version code?

Also dealers typically reflash ECUs to fix various problems.
Warranty items, recall, etc.

Do you store our custom tune somewhere incase the dealer reflashes the ECU back to stock?

How much would it be to reflash a second time after further mods.
Say I get stage 0, then about 6 months later I install exhaust, intake...and I want to get redyno tuned?

thanks
I include UNLIMITED flashes back to stock and then back to your custom map - just fed ex it out or drop by and your back to stock in 5 mins - NOT a trace - I have the original EVO 8 map from and good thing is that ALL US EVO 8's have the exact same map for 2003 MY

Every flash is recorded and stored and can be restored if the dealer does any flash - HOWEVER - I seriously doubt that any dealers will be doing flashes any time soon - in fact the dealers around here do not even have the flash tool yet

So far there is no special pricing for future upgrades on your car and a reflash as so much of our product cost is the actual dyno time which we rent out at various dynos - at this point we are doing about 1.5 hours per car which with a wideband 02 sensor is about $300.00 of the flash cost at retail prices

The reflash is a better performing option with more features than the other systems - eg Emanange - Exced etc - However the trade off is that it will be a bit more costly to do future revisions as you need to pay again. However, I feel this is MORE than offset by the lower inital cost when comparing to a system like the Emanage and or Exede which with installation and a dyno tune will run you close to $1,000 for the initial outlay and then just dyno and tuning for future ugrades

Obviously, the reflash is rob not the best otion for a do it yourself shade tree mechanic tuner who wants to keep adding mods every week and retuning

On the other hand - for someone who wants near stock like tune quaility with no issues, problems, hassel, wiring or compromise - the reflash is a great way to get a lot of extra power and a very safe tune. Our typical user is only planning to have his car tuned once, but may do another upgrade or two a few months or a year down the line.
Old Oct 9, 2003 | 05:37 PM
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Old Oct 9, 2003 | 05:51 PM
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Makes me wish I had waited and not gone with the WORKS flash. This seems very affordable considering you are paying for the dyno tuning with it. Very cool stuff.
Old Oct 9, 2003 | 06:07 PM
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My "Friend" has a bone stock silver EVO with just the WORKS 93 octane brain flash. The results were very impressive. On the downside the a/f ratio device was not working properly, so they were not able to get an accurate read out. They tried switching the cable out and it didn't make a difference. The box was rather ragged looking and I'm not sure I would want it reading a/f ratios on my friends car anyway. The DYNO chart speaks for itself. If there was an a/f ratio problem it would have shown in the numbers. Way to go WORKS!! Next week he is going to send his ECU back to WORKS for the P2. He will again dyno the car at the same place and post the results overlapping this P1 result.

Old Oct 9, 2003 | 06:10 PM
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X files theme: Curiously the AFR probe crapped out and the only interesting part is lost in the ethos- Once again a works dynoplot with no hint of AFR
Old Oct 9, 2003 | 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by caymandiver75
My "Friend" has a bone stock silver EVO with just the WORKS 93 octane brain flash. The results were very impressive. On the downside the a/f ratio device was not working properly, so they were not able to get an accurate read out. They tried switching the cable out and it didn't make a difference. The box was rather ragged looking and I'm not sure I would want it reading a/f ratios on my friends car anyway. The DYNO chart speaks for itself. If there was an a/f ratio problem it would have shown in the numbers. Way to go WORKS!! Next week he is going to send his ECU back to WORKS for the P2. He will again dyno the car at the same place and post the results overlapping this P1 result.

Very interesting! I wonder what the stock evos pull on that dyno ????? I like the power curve they have there - almost a flat straight line. This demonstrates how well a reflash can function!

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Old Oct 9, 2003 | 07:15 PM
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Very interesting! I wonder what the stock evos pull on that dyno ?????
If your a tuner... you probably know already. I just didn't get a chance to dyno mine when it was totally stock.
Old Oct 9, 2003 | 07:20 PM
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If your a tuner... you probably know already. I just didn't get a chance to dyno mine when it was totally stock.
OH I know how much they pull on a awd dyno jet dyno !!!! I was using the socratic method of encouraging a dialouge with you guys on this issue. Here is a hint - http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/joh...iew=t&.hires=t

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...threadid=18966



I will get some of my stock evo dyno sheets up soon for comparision. But - All I can say is very good job there for works it was a very nice dyno sheet and clearly shows they took a lot of time making the map - just seems a bit short on the power department but then again we dont have a base line for comparison and its hard to compare one dyno to another

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Old Oct 9, 2003 | 08:42 PM
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With WORKS current prices I would much rather go with a Dynoflash GB in St. Louis next month than the currently scheduled Works GB here...

is it too late to switch vendors for the November 1st group buy at Axis?? Have a dynoflash day instead of a Works day?

Maybe we should SERIOUSLY discuss this option in light of the P2's initial pricing...
Sorry to hijack, but I am with you guys. I would much rather have Dynoflash come in after seeing those P2 prices.
Old Oct 9, 2003 | 11:41 PM
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Does Dyno Flash have boost control?

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Old Oct 10, 2003 | 08:33 AM
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Hi Al

The WORKS flashed ECU didn’t have the advantage of the P2 boost control upgrade did it?

Old Oct 10, 2003 | 09:43 AM
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Hi Al

The WORKS flashed ECU didn’t have the advantage of the P2 boost control upgrade did it?

That's the first question I asked, but it must have been overlooked. If it's the P1 and the dynoflash has max boost up to redline then it's apples to oranges. I also heard the Works P2 richened up the P2 A/F ratio for reliability with the extra boost in the high end range. Probably turns out to be VERY close to the Dynoflash.
If I could get a dyno session with dynoflash here in Kentucky I would consider it.

Here's a post from earlier after asking if 19 is held to redline. I'm 99% sure this post says it is.

Originally posted by Dynoflash

I use the same reflash device as works so I assume it works in the same exact manner - (a delay in the initialization of the stock boost taper function) - we can not increase the stock boost as it starts on 100% - we can only stop it from tapering

There is a slight inherant taper in the turbo itself which can not be adjusted - it is much less severe than with the stock set up though

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