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Old Aug 20, 2009, 05:33 PM
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For the tranny and TC, do you use a funnel with a long tube to dump in the oil from above the engine bay rather than screw around with a hand pump under the car?
come on man we can do this all day, use the hand pump, 10 bucks

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Originally Posted by apagan01
come on man we can do this all day, use the hand pump, 10 bucks

I've tried the handpump. I have to use it for the rear diff and any car where I can't use a funnel for the gearbox. IMHO, a funnel and tube is way easier if the job is being done with the car on jackstands. The only other handy addition for using the funnel is a big measuring cup to meter out the correct amount of fluid. I filled up my gearbox in 2 minutes with the funnel. Not a single drop spilled (alright maybe two drops when I pulled the tube back up through the engine bay), added the exact amount needed, and I just stood over the engine the entire time. Beats the crap out of messing with a pump under the car.
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So which is better for the evo? The MGT or the SVG. I'm getting ready to change the fluid in my 6 sp, and rear diff. I was going to use the MGT. My car is my DD with an FP Red @ 476WHP and 432WTQ. I was going to stay with the stock DIA QUEEN in the t-case with the Slip lock. I see that AWD Motorsports runs Synthetic Off-Road and Drag Racing Gear Lubricant SAE 250 in their t-cases. Should I think about changing to that?
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The hand pump sucks because when it's attached to a bottle it makes the unit like 15" high and difficult to work with if your working on your back. I still like the Autozone funnel and additional clear tubing (home depot/lowes) method for tranny and tc.
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Handpump is fine and dandy for MTG tranny fluid...sucking up 90wt diaqueen through a tube under the car is a whole different story. Better be strong thats for sure.
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Originally Posted by dambikeracer
So which is better for the evo? The MGT or the SVG. I'm getting ready to change the fluid in my 6 sp, and rear diff. I was going to use the MGT. My car is my DD with an FP Red @ 476WHP and 432WTQ. I was going to stay with the stock DIA QUEEN in the t-case with the Slip lock. I see that AWD Motorsports runs Synthetic Off-Road and Drag Racing Gear Lubricant SAE 250 in their t-cases. Should I think about changing to that?
There are may Race Teams usingthe AMSOIL SVG in the TC and Diff with no problem. AMSOIL also has a 180 and 250 lube but these are mostly used in Monster Trucks and Rock Crawlers and Grag Cars.

Use of a high Visc oil in a DD will only cause PPP.. **** Poor Performance..

Run AMSIL MTG in the tranny and SVG in the TC and Dff andyou wil be happy and Not have any problems.

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Handpump is fine and dandy for MTG tranny fluid...sucking up 90wt diaqueen through a tube under the car is a whole different story. Better be strong thats for sure.
TG and 90 wgt Diaquenn are the same viscosity so they will pump te same.

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Originally Posted by Liquid Gold
There are may Race Teams usingthe AMSOIL SVG in the TC and Diff with no problem. AMSOIL also has a 180 and 250 lube but these are mostly used in Monster Trucks and Rock Crawlers and Grag Cars.

Use of a high Visc oil in a DD will only cause PPP.. **** Poor Performance..

Run AMSIL MTG in the tranny and SVG in the TC and Dff andyou wil be happy and Not have any problems.



TG and 90 wgt Diaquenn are the same viscosity so they will pump te same.

LG
We have some customers using the 250 on their monster evos, they have to heat up the fluid a little to get it inito the TC and diff's, also they put a little of slicp lock additive, and with no problems.

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MTG is a 75/90 oil...it's poor point and viscosity index is almost like a 30wt while cold and is MUCH different than OEM strait 90wt diaqueen. Sucking up both fluids through a 1/2in tube is night and day difference with both being at room temp.
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Originally Posted by dambikeracer
So which is better for the evo? The MGT or the SVG. I'm getting ready to change the fluid in my 6 sp, and rear diff. I was going to use the MGT. My car is my DD with an FP Red @ 476WHP and 432WTQ. I was going to stay with the stock DIA QUEEN in the t-case with the Slip lock. I see that AWD Motorsports runs Synthetic Off-Road and Drag Racing Gear Lubricant SAE 250 in their t-cases. Should I think about changing to that?


I know is always good to try new things like what the OP is doing using SVG in the tranny.

This is very odd any how with the OP using SVG and he is getting smoother shifting where in fact he should be getting notchier shifting, why because the SVG does not carry the additives MTG carries more friction modifiers than the SVG for the syncros.

there can be many reasons unknown to us why are you shifting better.


PLEASE GUYS USE MTG FOR THE TRANNY AND NOT SVG, IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPEN. DON'T MIX ANY FLUIDS UP ECT.
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Originally Posted by dbsears
MTG is a 75/90 oil...it's poor point and viscosity index is almost like a 30wt while cold and is MUCH different than OEM strait 90wt diaqueen. Sucking up both fluids through a 1/2in tube is night and day difference with both being at room temp.
Maybe I read your other post wrong.. Forgive me if I did.. I will go back and check.. But AMSOIL would flow better than Diaqueen at cold temps if Dia is a strgt 90


Fluids are not measured at room temp and are you sure you are not describing the Diaqueen for the new 6 Spd ? That fluid is a 70W-80 which translates to a 5W-30 and will be quite a bit less viscous than a 75W-90.

75W-90 is approximately the same viscosity as 20W-50 motor oil at operating temp.

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There is No problem running the SVG in your transmissions as it does carry the necessary GL-4 Rating along with GL-5. It was the recommended lube before the MTG was introduced.

The question is why is it performing better than the MTG in some instances. Both use the same base stock and the MTG has specific additives for a Synchro tranny to aid shifting.

I have a call into a guy I know that is a driveline fluid specialist but he is not in the office today. Hoping he can shed some light on the matter.

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Originally Posted by dbsears
MTG is a 75/90 oil...it's poor point and viscosity index is almost like a 30wt while cold and is MUCH different than OEM strait 90wt diaqueen. Sucking up both fluids through a 1/2in tube is night and day difference with both being at room temp.
I indeed misread your previous post about MTG and Diaqueen.. I apologize..

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The 90wt Diaqueen I am referring too is whats used in the transfercase and rear diff which also is a non synthetic mineral based oil. It's thick to say the least. IIRC MTG has a viscosity index at 40c of about 12.2 and their 5w-40 is about 11.8, so about a 40wt I would suppose as far as pouring point.

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Any updates to the use of MTG/SVG versus Diaqueen for the 6sp? Interested cause I am considering switching over from Diaqueen on my 6sp.

Also, what fluid is recommended for the TC? I have to change that out too.
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Originally Posted by Laxman
Any updates to the use of MTG/SVG versus Diaqueen for the 6sp? Interested cause I am considering switching over from Diaqueen on my 6sp.

Also, what fluid is recommended for the TC? I have to change that out too.
I've been running SVG for about nine months. Some times it shifts really smoothly, and other times its a bit notchy. Seems smoothest in ~80F weather. If it gets hotter than that outside, it starts to feel a bit notchy again. Definitely not better than MTG in shifting performance. Presumably it provides more protection to the gears (but not the synchros) than MTG.

I'll be trying the Syntorq next.


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