My FP Black
Nov 16, 2009, 07:25 AM
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Ok guys....I'd like some people's input here.
First things first, I've decided I am going to have Junior at 'The Shop' tune my car.
I have decided not to go with an external wastegate, after talking with a few people and doing some research and watching the OKIX evo run 9's on the internal wastegate my mind was made up. So this is going to be my new down-pipe, with the wastegate dump recirculated.
http://www.maperformance.com/map-sta...2e-ss-evo.html
Few things I cannot decide on whether or not I should do / buy before the tune are...
1) SparkTech NON-CDI
2) Supertech Springs / Titanium Retainers - I am currently running HKS 272's I/E - primary rev limit is 8000 RPM.
3) Leave my Megan exhaust manifold on - or get the stock exhaust manifold ported by MAP.
4) Port stock intake manifold by MAP - I was *considering* rev 2, rev 3 is just too much money. I could buy the Magnus v5 for the price of the rev 3 (granted the Magnus v5 install is much more involved than the stock IM).
5) AMS Race Balance Shaft delete.
Here is my currrent mod list:
Stock Block / Stock Head - with AMS Race balance shaft delete kit
93 Octane - Shell
Stock ECU with TephraMod v7 (I also have an alt map cable I can hook up if necessary) / Openport 2.0 Cable / EvoScan 2.7B5
ARP Head studs TQ'ed to 85 FT/Lbs (stock (originial) head gasket)
Mobil One 10W-30 Fully Synthetic / All fluids - transmission, t-case, rear diff and engine oil have been changed
60K service has been completed - 2004 Evo VIII - Has 52,xxx miles - new Timing belt / serpentine belt / oil pump (new front cover)
FP Black - With Ported Hotside with Race Pipe and FP v2 oil feed line
MAP Ported and Polished stock exhaust manifold
FP's 80mm Intake / K&N Filter 4.5" diameter, 8" long - removed inter-cooler sprayer / Vibrant MAF adapter
Reinforced MAF housing (epoxied MAF honeycomb in)
Apexi GT Spec 3" Turbo Back exhaust
Cobb 3" Downpipe w/ DEI exhaust wrap
Invida O2 housing
Cobb Test pipe
HKS 272 I/E Camshafts
Aeromotive Fuel Pressure Regulator
Aeromotive Fuel Rail
FIC 1050 CC Injectiors
Walbro 255 FP
AVID Racing motor mounts
Blox front roll engine stopper
Torque Solution drive shaft bushings - 6061 aluminum
Sparktech NON-CDI Iginition system
NGKBPR7ES Plugs
Exedy Twin HD Clutch with upper/lower SS lines
TurboTrix Clutch Fork Stop
ETS 3.5" Intercooler w/ 2.5" Hard Intercooler Piping
HKS SSQV V2 BOV - recirculated
Mil.Spec 65mm Throttle body
Hallman Manual Boost Controller
Whiteline Front Roll Center Adjustment Kit
Girodisc Stage 2 slotted rotors with Ferodo DS2500 Pads w/ Motul and SS Lines
B&M Short Throw Shifter with under hood stiff bushings kit and Greddy counter weight shift knob
DEFI Gauges Boost (only goes to 28 PSI) / EGT / Oil Pressure
AEM Wideband O2
STM -AN lines valve cover fittings - PCV valve has been deleted
STM valve cover SS bolt kit
JMFab Oil catch can
Samco radiator hoses
STM Radiator supports
Carbign Craft radiator cooling plate
ThreeSpeed Scatter Shield
Current tune : Mellon Tune - Openport 2.0 with Evoscan 2.7 B5
What else should I be looking at doing before the tune?
Thanks!
-Bink
First things first, I've decided I am going to have Junior at 'The Shop' tune my car.
I have decided not to go with an external wastegate, after talking with a few people and doing some research and watching the OKIX evo run 9's on the internal wastegate my mind was made up. So this is going to be my new down-pipe, with the wastegate dump recirculated.
http://www.maperformance.com/map-sta...2e-ss-evo.html
Few things I cannot decide on whether or not I should do / buy before the tune are...
1) SparkTech NON-CDI
2) Supertech Springs / Titanium Retainers - I am currently running HKS 272's I/E - primary rev limit is 8000 RPM.
3) Leave my Megan exhaust manifold on - or get the stock exhaust manifold ported by MAP.
4) Port stock intake manifold by MAP - I was *considering* rev 2, rev 3 is just too much money. I could buy the Magnus v5 for the price of the rev 3 (granted the Magnus v5 install is much more involved than the stock IM).
5) AMS Race Balance Shaft delete.
Here is my currrent mod list:
Stock Block / Stock Head - with AMS Race balance shaft delete kit
93 Octane - Shell
Stock ECU with TephraMod v7 (I also have an alt map cable I can hook up if necessary) / Openport 2.0 Cable / EvoScan 2.7B5
ARP Head studs TQ'ed to 85 FT/Lbs (stock (originial) head gasket)
Mobil One 10W-30 Fully Synthetic / All fluids - transmission, t-case, rear diff and engine oil have been changed
60K service has been completed - 2004 Evo VIII - Has 52,xxx miles - new Timing belt / serpentine belt / oil pump (new front cover)
FP Black - With Ported Hotside with Race Pipe and FP v2 oil feed line
MAP Ported and Polished stock exhaust manifold
FP's 80mm Intake / K&N Filter 4.5" diameter, 8" long - removed inter-cooler sprayer / Vibrant MAF adapter
Reinforced MAF housing (epoxied MAF honeycomb in)
Apexi GT Spec 3" Turbo Back exhaust
Cobb 3" Downpipe w/ DEI exhaust wrap
Invida O2 housing
Cobb Test pipe
HKS 272 I/E Camshafts
Aeromotive Fuel Pressure Regulator
Aeromotive Fuel Rail
FIC 1050 CC Injectiors
Walbro 255 FP
AVID Racing motor mounts
Blox front roll engine stopper
Torque Solution drive shaft bushings - 6061 aluminum
Sparktech NON-CDI Iginition system
NGKBPR7ES Plugs
Exedy Twin HD Clutch with upper/lower SS lines
TurboTrix Clutch Fork Stop
ETS 3.5" Intercooler w/ 2.5" Hard Intercooler Piping
HKS SSQV V2 BOV - recirculated
Mil.Spec 65mm Throttle body
Hallman Manual Boost Controller
Whiteline Front Roll Center Adjustment Kit
Girodisc Stage 2 slotted rotors with Ferodo DS2500 Pads w/ Motul and SS Lines
B&M Short Throw Shifter with under hood stiff bushings kit and Greddy counter weight shift knob
DEFI Gauges Boost (only goes to 28 PSI) / EGT / Oil Pressure
AEM Wideband O2
STM -AN lines valve cover fittings - PCV valve has been deleted
STM valve cover SS bolt kit
JMFab Oil catch can
Samco radiator hoses
STM Radiator supports
Carbign Craft radiator cooling plate
ThreeSpeed Scatter Shield
Current tune : Mellon Tune - Openport 2.0 with Evoscan 2.7 B5
What else should I be looking at doing before the tune?
Thanks!
-Bink
Last edited by binky; May 4, 2010 at 04:58 PM.
Nov 16, 2009, 09:25 AM
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Few things I cannot decide on whether or not I should do / buy before the tune are...
1) SparkTech NON-CDI
2) Supertech Springs / Titanium Retainers - I am currently running HKS 272's I/E - primary rev limit is 8000 RPM.
3) Leave my Megan exhaust manifold on - or get the stock exhaust manifold ported by MAP.
4) Port stock intake manifold by MAP - I was *considering* rev 2, rev 3 is just too much money. I could buy the Magnus v5 for the price of the rev 3 (granted the Magnus v5 install is much more involved than the stock IM).
i would not waste money on the COP stock is fine. Porting the intake i would def do map rev 2 is fine or ppi extreme ported. I dont really like megan products i had the manifold when i bought the evo and its cracked. i would get a different tubular setup or get ported stocker. With the black on a 2.0 i would do dual spring and retainer upgrade for sure supertech is fine. Maybe think about upgrading your cams to kelford 272 to take advantage of the spring retainer upgrade
1) SparkTech NON-CDI
2) Supertech Springs / Titanium Retainers - I am currently running HKS 272's I/E - primary rev limit is 8000 RPM.
3) Leave my Megan exhaust manifold on - or get the stock exhaust manifold ported by MAP.
4) Port stock intake manifold by MAP - I was *considering* rev 2, rev 3 is just too much money. I could buy the Magnus v5 for the price of the rev 3 (granted the Magnus v5 install is much more involved than the stock IM).
i would not waste money on the COP stock is fine. Porting the intake i would def do map rev 2 is fine or ppi extreme ported. I dont really like megan products i had the manifold when i bought the evo and its cracked. i would get a different tubular setup or get ported stocker. With the black on a 2.0 i would do dual spring and retainer upgrade for sure supertech is fine. Maybe think about upgrading your cams to kelford 272 to take advantage of the spring retainer upgrade
Nov 16, 2009, 10:48 AM
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^ with HKS 272 you can rev over 8k just fine. I have 272/280 combo and I rev to 8-8.2K all day long. Don't bother with spring and retainers till you get agressive cams like 4Rs, Kelford 272s, S2s, or the big boys S3s or 5Rs.
Stock ignition is fine till you start making over 600.
Have fun with boost creep on the eliminator!
junk! Ask them for a dyno and see if you get one... Prob not
Mikey
Stock ignition is fine till you start making over 600.
Have fun with boost creep on the eliminator!
junk! Ask them for a dyno and see if you get one... Prob notMikey
Nov 16, 2009, 10:53 AM
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Few things I cannot decide on whether or not I should do / buy before the tune are...
1) SparkTech NON-CDI
2) Supertech Springs / Titanium Retainers - I am currently running HKS 272's I/E - primary rev limit is 8000 RPM.
3) Leave my Megan exhaust manifold on - or get the stock exhaust manifold ported by MAP.
4) Port stock intake manifold by MAP - I was *considering* rev 2, rev 3 is just too much money. I could buy the Magnus v5 for the price of the rev 3 (granted the Magnus v5 install is much more involved than the stock IM).
i would not waste money on the COP stock is fine. Porting the intake i would def do map rev 2 is fine or ppi extreme ported. I dont really like megan products i had the manifold when i bought the evo and its cracked. i would get a different tubular setup or get ported stocker. With the black on a 2.0 i would do dual spring and retainer upgrade for sure supertech is fine. Maybe think about upgrading your cams to kelford 272 to take advantage of the spring retainer upgrade
1) SparkTech NON-CDI
2) Supertech Springs / Titanium Retainers - I am currently running HKS 272's I/E - primary rev limit is 8000 RPM.
3) Leave my Megan exhaust manifold on - or get the stock exhaust manifold ported by MAP.
4) Port stock intake manifold by MAP - I was *considering* rev 2, rev 3 is just too much money. I could buy the Magnus v5 for the price of the rev 3 (granted the Magnus v5 install is much more involved than the stock IM).
i would not waste money on the COP stock is fine. Porting the intake i would def do map rev 2 is fine or ppi extreme ported. I dont really like megan products i had the manifold when i bought the evo and its cracked. i would get a different tubular setup or get ported stocker. With the black on a 2.0 i would do dual spring and retainer upgrade for sure supertech is fine. Maybe think about upgrading your cams to kelford 272 to take advantage of the spring retainer upgrade
I think I may ditch the Megan manifold and port the stock exhaust manifold then...I'm still on the line about the springs / retainers...
^ with HKS 272 you can rev over 8k just fine. I have 272/280 combo and I rev to 8-8.2K all day long. Don't bother with spring and retainers till you get agressive cams like 4Rs, Kelford 272s, S2s, or the big boys S3s or 5Rs.
Stock ignition is fine till you start making over 600.
Have fun with boost creep on the eliminator! junk! Ask them for a dyno and see if you get one... Prob not
Mikey
Stock ignition is fine till you start making over 600.
Have fun with boost creep on the eliminator!
junk! Ask them for a dyno and see if you get one... Prob notMikey
-Bink
Nov 16, 2009, 11:08 AM
#82
I'm still on the line about the springs / retainers...
Is the eliminator bad? Can you further explain your response.
The JMF Flange is the only flange that I have seen that will not create boost creep. The other thing you have to look at is you need a 2.5" dump or larger to clear the flapper once it clears the flange. There is a lot of design that goes into the 02 dump design. It is not "weld a pipe to a stock flange and you have a dump". That is the design of the MAP eliminator! Yes you have a dump but it is not very effective. Send Casey or Chris a PM and ask for a dyno! I would love to see one and have been trying for months but they won't post or send one. Also if they send you one there is no way to positively know that it is they eliminator pipe. They have heard the complaints.
Here is a pic on the JMF Flange.
This design is the only design that should ever be used for a high hp car trying to run over the stock boost level on a Red or Black... I would hold off for a bit because I believe that JMF is coming out with a 3" housing and dump very similar to mine
*edit - I should just clarify that I'm not knocking MAP, Chris, Casey or anyone else there. I buy most of my parts through them but I just don't like the design of the eliminator after hearing the problems and helping design my own custom 02 housing.
Mikey
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Nov 16, 2009, 07:35 PM
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Get off that line because you don't need then. Wait until you upgrade your cams then do it then. No need paying labor twice and HKS cams are not as bad as people think they are. I made 520 on 30psi in 85-90 degree weather.
I personally have never had it or seen it in person, so take this for what it is, but I have heard from quite a few people that it boost creeps bad. The design on the flange I don't think is allowing the flapper to fully open and that is creating bad boost creep. Creep is "okay" if you have a fully built motor and don't care what psi you are running but most of us like to have control of our boost.
The JMF Flange is the only flange that I have seen that will not create boost creep. The other thing you have to look at is you need a 2.5" dump or larger to clear the flapper once it clears the flange. There is a lot of design that goes into the 02 dump design. It is not "weld a pipe to a stock flange and you have a dump". That is the design of the MAP eliminator! Yes you have a dump but it is not very effective. Send Casey or Chris a PM and ask for a dyno! I would love to see one and have been trying for months but they won't post or send one. Also if they send you one there is no way to positively know that it is they eliminator pipe. They have heard the complaints.
Here is a pic on the JMF Flange.
This design is the only design that should ever be used for a high hp car trying to run over the stock boost level on a Red or Black... I would hold off for a bit because I believe that JMF is coming out with a 3" housing and dump very similar to mine
*edit - I should just clarify that I'm not knocking MAP, Chris, Casey or anyone else there. I buy most of my parts through them but I just don't like the design of the eliminator after hearing the problems and helping design my own custom 02 housing.
Mikey
I personally have never had it or seen it in person, so take this for what it is, but I have heard from quite a few people that it boost creeps bad. The design on the flange I don't think is allowing the flapper to fully open and that is creating bad boost creep. Creep is "okay" if you have a fully built motor and don't care what psi you are running but most of us like to have control of our boost.
The JMF Flange is the only flange that I have seen that will not create boost creep. The other thing you have to look at is you need a 2.5" dump or larger to clear the flapper once it clears the flange. There is a lot of design that goes into the 02 dump design. It is not "weld a pipe to a stock flange and you have a dump". That is the design of the MAP eliminator! Yes you have a dump but it is not very effective. Send Casey or Chris a PM and ask for a dyno! I would love to see one and have been trying for months but they won't post or send one. Also if they send you one there is no way to positively know that it is they eliminator pipe. They have heard the complaints.
Here is a pic on the JMF Flange.
This design is the only design that should ever be used for a high hp car trying to run over the stock boost level on a Red or Black... I would hold off for a bit because I believe that JMF is coming out with a 3" housing and dump very similar to mine
*edit - I should just clarify that I'm not knocking MAP, Chris, Casey or anyone else there. I buy most of my parts through them but I just don't like the design of the eliminator after hearing the problems and helping design my own custom 02 housing.
Mikey
Well...great - haha, now I don't know what I should do for a downpipe / O2 housing solution...
Any ETA on when JMF would be releasing the 3" housing and dump?
I suppose I could stick to the Megan O2 Housing and Apexi GT Spec downpipe that's already on the car, but I really wanted an external dump that was recirculated.
Thanks for the advice.
-Bink
But the shearer is a 2.5" 02 housing.
