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Old Oct 24, 2003 | 10:52 AM
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Originally posted by Eric Lyublinsky


TXS, Perrin and STI.

Eric
Now you're talking man - two of the best names in the buiness ! TX'sand Perrin both are total class acts! I love all of their stuff !

I an done here - I have better things to do than fend off atacks from the shiv gang!

I will let me results speak for themselves

Check out the post about the bone stock dynoflahed evo that went 12.6 @108 yesterday !
Old Oct 24, 2003 | 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by Alfriedesq
I never said Shiv can't tune a car he is certanly one of the best out there.

However, his method of marketing - sicking his pack of loyalist installers and clients onto these message boards to post insults and personal attacks is really low class.

Also - he is highly onboxious and arrogent himself.

Finally - you will NEVER - EVER - see Dyno Flash reduce or eliminate the stock knock correction function. While such methods may be nice for short term fun they are not something we recomend or even think about.
Al his is not making me do anything. This is me talking. And don't forget Pruven is a offical install center for Vishnu as well.

About him being onboxious and arrogent you should re-read your posts.

Every time I was in front of him when he is with a customer or taking to somone he is neather. He takes his time to explain and listen to that person. Even me and I'm more then sure I bug the hell out of him with my techical odd *****.

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Old Oct 24, 2003 | 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by Alfriedesq
Now you're talking man - two of the best names in the buiness ! TX'sand Perrin both are total class acts! I love all of their stuff !

I an done here - I have better things to do than fend off atacks from the shiv gang!

I will let me results speak for themselves

Check out the post about the bone stock dynoflahed evo that went 12.6 @108 yesterday !
I total agree Perrin and TXS make quility products that fit great and last the test of time.

Now before your done with this post answer some of my quetions. Like any good Vendor would.

Eric
Old Oct 24, 2003 | 11:04 AM
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brew up another Romantic Al saga
HAHA remeber tirerack??? DON'T EVER CALL US AGAIN.
Old Oct 24, 2003 | 11:05 AM
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Originally posted by Alfriedesq

Check out the post about the bone stock dynoflahed evo that went 12.6 @108 yesterday !
Now that is truly amazing I guess Dynoflash found a way to flash out physics at the dragstrip- WOW Al can I get a Dynoflash that gaind 8 MPH in the 1/4 mile off a 40 HP increase?
Old Oct 24, 2003 | 11:11 AM
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Who has been able to achieve 350WHP with a custom dyno? What were your mods? I have the beta version of dynoflash but am planning on getting more mods and taking my car for a custom dyno since i was so amazed with the dynoflash alone with out dynotime. So if you have achieved around 350WHP preferably 350-375WHP please tell me your mods so i can plan
If you do not want to give your information to everyone feel free to PM me
Old Oct 24, 2003 | 11:16 AM
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Eric - I told you I am done slinging mud with you - I'm NOT responding to your "questions"anymore - best of luck installing Vishnu products and arranging his dyno days. I am too busy taking care of my clinets, doing my research on evos and getting my race evo ready for the track to deal with this silly H.S. games
Old Oct 24, 2003 | 11:20 AM
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Originally posted by Alfriedesq
Eric - I told you I am done slinging mud with you - I'm NOT responding to your "questions"anymore - best of luck installing Vishnu products and arranging his dyno days. I am too busy taking care of my clinets, doing my research on evos and getting my race evo ready for the track to deal with this silly H.S. games
I thought the argument always was its a totally streetable daily driver? At least that was the excuse you gave the ESX guys
Old Oct 24, 2003 | 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by Alfriedesq
Eric - I told you I am done slinging mud with you - I'm NOT responding to your "questions"anymore - best of luck installing Vishnu products and arranging his dyno days.
Oh I'm not slinging mud anymore. You are always a good sport. I will offer you to answer my questions privately. This is a quest of knowledge for me believe it or not.
Old Oct 24, 2003 | 01:26 PM
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Originally posted by Alfriedesq
I never said Shiv can't tune a car he is certanly one of the best out there.

However, his method of marketing - sicking his pack of loyalist installers and clients onto these message boards to post insults and personal attacks is really low class.

Also - he is highly onboxious and arrogent himself.

Finally - you will NEVER - EVER - see Dyno Flash reduce or eliminate the stock knock correction function. While such methods may be nice for short term fun they are not something we recomend or even think about.
We don't reduce or eliminate the stock knock control (not "correction" since it doesn't behave anything like the WRX ECM) system either. We merely improve upon it by remapping sensitivity in different RPM and Load zones. This is something that we can do on our load bearing dyno. FWIW, this is something we could NOT do with the reflash since the memory limited factory computer code doesn't have that ability. So, instead, we do it with the XEDE and it's worth a ~10whp and 10lb-ft of torque gain across the board. It's pretty easy to quantify as simply turning on this feature (without inducing any boost, timing or fuel offsets) will result in output gains without the presence of knock.

Regards,
Shiv
Old Oct 24, 2003 | 01:49 PM
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All this *****ing back and forth is making David Buschur look like one helluva guy...

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...threadid=46095
Old Oct 24, 2003 | 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by BeenWaitin4Evo
All this *****ing back and forth is making David Buschur look like one helluva guy...

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...threadid=46095
Helluva guy Helluva guy
Old Oct 24, 2003 | 11:58 PM
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Originally posted by DynoFlash
Eric -

to respond to your concerns

unlike the other "expert" tuners who are doing ecu upgrades on the EVO - BEFORE I started to sell any products - I worked with Pruven who is a 4g63 expert to push the limits of the stock block and internals safely OVER 500 WHP !!!! With no failure what so ever

AFTER we saw these engines could take that kind of power I decided a 20 - 30 whp upgrade was well within the capacity of the engine
I just want to point out that you really didn't answer his concern there:

Watching an engine not explode on the first dyno pull or even a couple hundred miles later does not address the issue Eric brought up, which is long term reliability and how your method of advancing the timing is perhaps no better for the engine than running a smoother A/F curve and more jagged tq curve.
Old Oct 25, 2003 | 12:25 AM
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I just want to point out that you really didn't answer his concern there:

Watching an engine not explode on the first dyno pull or even a couple hundred miles later does not address the issue Eric brought up, which is long term reliability and how your method of advancing the timing is perhaps no better for the engine than running a smoother A/F curve and more jagged tq curve.
Our poisiton is that the jagged trq curves you see along with those 12/1 af ratio dyno sheets of our compeditors represents knock activity PULLING timing becuase of transient DETONATION. The low spots are the areas where the ecu pulls timing after seeing knock counts in those areas.

The MAF signal manipulators - eg. SAFC or EXEDE make the ecu thing it has LESS LOAD when they attenuate the MAF signal. This condition causes the ECU to run up to 7 degrees MORE advance than stock becuase the lower load zones have more advance. This SUPER advanced timing - particularly in the 4500 to 7500 rpm range combined with the leaner a/f ratio these tuners run leads to a LOT of knock activity.

Detoination and knock activity BEATS up on your rods, rod bearings amd piston rings. Its the MOST detructive force in engines.

WE AVOID any detonation at any costs !! That is our # 1 goal.

Also - becuase we do not attenuate or adjust the MAF signal at all there is no "fooling" of the ecu into thinking there is less load and having advanced timing. Instead we directly adjust the injector driver map to take out the fuel to lean it out and leave the timing in the same zones. We do add in a slight amount of timing - but it amounts to much less than hat piggy back tuners add in unintentionally when they atenuate the MAF signal.

So long as we keep the fuel mixture rich we can run a few degrees of timing in certain areas of the curve - stock in others - without ANY detonation. This combination actually lowers EGTs and makes less stress on the engine.

The 20 - 28 whp gain we add to evos with our reflash is of NO effect on engine durability. We have gone 300 whp over stock without breaking anything. The Evo engine is very robust.

Hope this has answered your question. if you need more answers you should read these therads :

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/show...5&pagenumber=1

http://dsmtuners.com/forums/showthre...0&pagenumber=1





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Old Oct 25, 2003 | 08:59 AM
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Thanks for taking the time to respond, Al. I'll get back to you when I can wrap my brain around all that technical data.


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