Questions about the Pruven dyno day...
Nov 3, 2003, 06:33 AM
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Questions about the Pruven dyno day...
Hi guys,
I read all the information on the dyno day that I could find. There is some information that I couldn't.
First, Dejan (Dan) was suppose to bring out the new beast. What did it dyno?
Al, I see your dyno sheets from Saturday, 440 whp. Is this the new set up with the new valves and head? Is it making the best HP that it has now?
Did the Ntercooler get tested with the nitrous vs. CO2?
That's it. Sounds like it was a good time.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
I read all the information on the dyno day that I could find. There is some information that I couldn't.
First, Dejan (Dan) was suppose to bring out the new beast. What did it dyno?
Al, I see your dyno sheets from Saturday, 440 whp. Is this the new set up with the new valves and head? Is it making the best HP that it has now?
Did the Ntercooler get tested with the nitrous vs. CO2?
That's it. Sounds like it was a good time.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Nov 3, 2003, 07:57 AM
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I was there was alot of fun.
The Pruven car just sat playing the stereo
Al's made 535 with a 30 shot and n'tercooler spray on 100 octane.
The nitrous vs. C02. It made 20 more hp or so with the nitrous spray on the intercooler.
I made 264 with your intake/filter/turboback/nocat and stock boost. Dynoed 248 stock fuel.
And 25 Evo's!
The Pruven car just sat playing the stereo
Al's made 535 with a 30 shot and n'tercooler spray on 100 octane.
The nitrous vs. C02. It made 20 more hp or so with the nitrous spray on the intercooler.
I made 264 with your intake/filter/turboback/nocat and stock boost. Dynoed 248 stock fuel.
And 25 Evo's!
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Nov 3, 2003, 07:59 AM
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Dave - good to hear from you
The ntercooler test was done earlier in the week and it seems you were right as they pciked up some co2 misfires on the dyno
We still havn't had a chance to test it on a rolling car outside on the road - but it seems obvious that your theory about the ntercooler is correct and at least some nos is enetering the air filter
Never the less - it certainly is a very effective unit - irrespective of how the power is made.
As for Dan's car - it makes over 600 whp with out spray and should be good for 700 with it
The engine is out now installing the new Ferrea Valves
We will be going to the track to do a side by side run into the 10's in a couple of weeks and to see who is da top dawg!
Best regards!
The ntercooler test was done earlier in the week and it seems you were right as they pciked up some co2 misfires on the dyno
We still havn't had a chance to test it on a rolling car outside on the road - but it seems obvious that your theory about the ntercooler is correct and at least some nos is enetering the air filter
Never the less - it certainly is a very effective unit - irrespective of how the power is made.
As for Dan's car - it makes over 600 whp with out spray and should be good for 700 with it
The engine is out now installing the new Ferrea Valves
We will be going to the track to do a side by side run into the 10's in a couple of weeks and to see who is da top dawg!
Best regards!
Nov 3, 2003, 08:05 AM
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Originally posted by DynoFlash
Never the less - it certainly is a very effective unit - irrespective of how the power is made.
Never the less - it certainly is a very effective unit - irrespective of how the power is made.
This is HORRIBLE to hear from a tuner! WTF do you mean?? If your car is unexpectedly ingesting nitrous what is that doing to AFRs?? How safe can this be?
Nov 3, 2003, 08:21 AM
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MP5, haha. Good point.
I am not impressed with the spray bars. After quite a bit of testing here they just haven't impressed us. Get a little nitrous in your engine as a side effect and you will be VERY impressed though.
Funny thing, long before all these companies jumped on the bandwagon with their spray bars and such we were doing the same thing. WAY back about 13 years ago I was at a race with the Talon up in Milan Michigan. We were out on the starting line with huge bottle of C02 spraying the intercoolers. We would spray them until they were completely frozen over with white frost. We did this right on the starting line with the engine off. We would then start the engine and launch the car. The difference in 1/4 mile times were ZERO.
David Buschur
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I am not impressed with the spray bars. After quite a bit of testing here they just haven't impressed us. Get a little nitrous in your engine as a side effect and you will be VERY impressed though.
Funny thing, long before all these companies jumped on the bandwagon with their spray bars and such we were doing the same thing. WAY back about 13 years ago I was at a race with the Talon up in Milan Michigan. We were out on the starting line with huge bottle of C02 spraying the intercoolers. We would spray them until they were completely frozen over with white frost. We did this right on the starting line with the engine off. We would then start the engine and launch the car. The difference in 1/4 mile times were ZERO.
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Nov 3, 2003, 09:08 AM
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Originally posted by davidbuschur
MP5, haha. Good point.
I am not impressed with the spray bars. After quite a bit of testing here they just haven't impressed us. Get a little nitrous in your engine as a side effect and you will be VERY impressed though.
Funny thing, long before all these companies jumped on the bandwagon with their spray bars and such we were doing the same thing. WAY back about 13 years ago I was at a race with the Talon up in Milan Michigan. We were out on the starting line with huge bottle of C02 spraying the intercoolers. We would spray them until they were completely frozen over with white frost. We did this right on the starting line with the engine off. We would then start the engine and launch the car. The difference in 1/4 mile times were ZERO.
David Buschur
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MP5, haha. Good point.
I am not impressed with the spray bars. After quite a bit of testing here they just haven't impressed us. Get a little nitrous in your engine as a side effect and you will be VERY impressed though.
Funny thing, long before all these companies jumped on the bandwagon with their spray bars and such we were doing the same thing. WAY back about 13 years ago I was at a race with the Talon up in Milan Michigan. We were out on the starting line with huge bottle of C02 spraying the intercoolers. We would spray them until they were completely frozen over with white frost. We did this right on the starting line with the engine off. We would then start the engine and launch the car. The difference in 1/4 mile times were ZERO.
David Buschur
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Nov 3, 2003, 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by MP5
This is HORRIBLE to hear from a tuner! WTF do you mean?? If your car is unexpectedly ingesting nitrous what is that doing to AFRs?? How safe can this be?
This is HORRIBLE to hear from a tuner! WTF do you mean?? If your car is unexpectedly ingesting nitrous what is that doing to AFRs?? How safe can this be?
Ok - just one more ! The car is set up load based - IF it ingests extra nos through the air intake - that creates more power and boost which makes it go to a higher and richer load sector.
We always have the wideband o2 meter on the car when we play with such things and the a/f is always very rich and safe
OBVIOUSLY I was doing something right to be able to hit 535 on the dyno saturday - and then take like 10 guys for fun rides blasting on the highway - seems fairly safe me to
Of course - don't try this at home
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Nov 3, 2003, 10:03 AM
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Originally posted by DynoFlash
WTF do i mean MP5- should I really give a negative dude like you ALL my hard earned tricks of the trade???
Ok - just one more ! The car is set up load based - IF it ingests extra nos through the air intake - that creates more power and boost which makes it go to a higher and richer load sector.
We always have the wideband o2 meter on the car when we play with such things and the a/f is always very rich and safe
OBVIOUSLY I was doing something right to be able to hit 535 on the dyno saturday - and then take like 10 guys for fun rides blasting on the highway - seems fairly safe me to
Of course - don't try this at home
WTF do i mean MP5- should I really give a negative dude like you ALL my hard earned tricks of the trade???
Ok - just one more ! The car is set up load based - IF it ingests extra nos through the air intake - that creates more power and boost which makes it go to a higher and richer load sector.
We always have the wideband o2 meter on the car when we play with such things and the a/f is always very rich and safe
OBVIOUSLY I was doing something right to be able to hit 535 on the dyno saturday - and then take like 10 guys for fun rides blasting on the highway - seems fairly safe me to
Of course - don't try this at home
Nov 3, 2003, 10:09 AM
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Originally posted by MP5
No need to go back to the personal thing I was shocked by your comment not caring if the extra power came from the boost ferry or not, you explained the safety measures you have in place thats all
No need to go back to the personal thing I was shocked by your comment not caring if the extra power came from the boost ferry or not, you explained the safety measures you have in place thats all
On my own personal car - i am trying to smash records and be the fastest
I'll take chances on my own car - if it blows up I'll just rebuild it !
Pushing 600 whp on a 4 banger is not a safe and long term concept
Nov 7, 2003, 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by DynoFlash
Never the less - it certainly is a very effective unit - irrespective of how the power is made.
Never the less - it certainly is a very effective unit - irrespective of how the power is made.
In other words, why spend money on the ntercooler sprayer when one could use that money to buy a real nitrous kit and get better results.
Nov 7, 2003, 01:04 PM
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Wouldn't it be more effective to use the nitrous how its supposed to be used? Such as injecting it directly into the intake stream rather than spraying it at the IC and hoping some of it get sucked into the air cleaner.
In other words, why spend money on the ntercooler sprayer when one could use that money to buy a real nitrous kit and get better results.
Wouldn't it be more effective to use the nitrous how its supposed to be used? Such as injecting it directly into the intake stream rather than spraying it at the IC and hoping some of it get sucked into the air cleaner.
In other words, why spend money on the ntercooler sprayer when one could use that money to buy a real nitrous kit and get better results.
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Originally posted by MP5
Its a lot cheaper
Its a lot cheaper
Not that I would want a dry kit on my Evo. Too dangerous, but then again I wouldn't the Ntercooler spray kit on it either for more or less the same reasons.
Nov 7, 2003, 01:27 PM
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Is it? Everywhere I look I see it advertised for about $400. You can buy dry kits for less than that. They are both doing the same thing, right? Putting nitrous into the intake stream with no fuel correction. Only the dry kit is doing it directly and efficiently and the Ntercooler kit is doing it indirectly and inefficiently. I'm sorry but I'm not convinced. It sounds like a waste of nitrous to me.
Not that I would want a dry kit on my Evo. Too dangerous, but then again I wouldn't the Ntercooler spray kit on it either for more or less the same reasons.
Is it? Everywhere I look I see it advertised for about $400. You can buy dry kits for less than that. They are both doing the same thing, right? Putting nitrous into the intake stream with no fuel correction. Only the dry kit is doing it directly and efficiently and the Ntercooler kit is doing it indirectly and inefficiently. I'm sorry but I'm not convinced. It sounds like a waste of nitrous to me.
Not that I would want a dry kit on my Evo. Too dangerous, but then again I wouldn't the Ntercooler spray kit on it either for more or less the same reasons.
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