Upgrading / Reinforcing the 6 speed
Aug 9, 2010, 10:28 AM
#241
Those are actually just for the synchros and such, Saber. If you look beneath that you will see the prices for the actual gears themselves, and they do get a bit pricey.
Option - $1100 4.11 Final drive upgrade
Option - $375 EVO 9 1st gear ratio
Option - $225 EVO 9 5th gear
Option - $350 EVO 8 3-4 conversion for EVO 9 tranmission
Option - $250 REM ISF® Process gearset with rails and hub/sleeves
Option - $60 REM ISF sleeves
Option - $150 REM ISF hub/sleeves and shifter rails
Option - Revised ratios available (contact us)
Option - $450 6spd to 5spd conversion kit (must be purchased with a new or rebuilt transmission)
So for just a 5th gear out of an Evo 9 he charges 225.00. So if he is replacing so many gears on the new 6, then the prices do pile up.
The price is still high, and I am in sticker shock, but this is the first time Shep has come up with an entirely new set of gears for the Evo. Until now it has been just using a combination of ratios and gears between the 8 and 9 setup that worked well and it has been great. Now he has to come up with an entirely new set of gears that he designed.
Still pricey, but new, and that means its even more expensive.
Option - $1100 4.11 Final drive upgrade
Option - $375 EVO 9 1st gear ratio
Option - $225 EVO 9 5th gear
Option - $350 EVO 8 3-4 conversion for EVO 9 tranmission
Option - $250 REM ISF® Process gearset with rails and hub/sleeves
Option - $60 REM ISF sleeves
Option - $150 REM ISF hub/sleeves and shifter rails
Option - Revised ratios available (contact us)
Option - $450 6spd to 5spd conversion kit (must be purchased with a new or rebuilt transmission)
So for just a 5th gear out of an Evo 9 he charges 225.00. So if he is replacing so many gears on the new 6, then the prices do pile up.
The price is still high, and I am in sticker shock, but this is the first time Shep has come up with an entirely new set of gears for the Evo. Until now it has been just using a combination of ratios and gears between the 8 and 9 setup that worked well and it has been great. Now he has to come up with an entirely new set of gears that he designed.
Still pricey, but new, and that means its even more expensive.
I guess we'll see what the actual consumer response is. I do have access to a perfect 5spd for $1k. I should just buy it and be done with it.
Aug 9, 2010, 10:32 AM
#242
True on that assuming you need to replace a few gears. Even at $300 avg on gear above * 3 (# of gears replacing on the 6spd) = $900. Still seems about $1k too high.
I guess we'll see what the actual consumer response is. I do have access to a perfect 5spd for $1k. I should just buy it and be done with it.
I guess we'll see what the actual consumer response is. I do have access to a perfect 5spd for $1k. I should just buy it and be done with it.
It is just a pricey piece of equipment. I would have given it a shot had I not gotten such a deal on a 5 speed. I still have a 6 speed laying around here so if it turns out to be a great investment then I will convert back. Only time will tell...
Aug 9, 2010, 11:15 AM
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True on that assuming you need to replace a few gears. Even at $300 avg on gear above * 3 (# of gears replacing on the 6spd) = $900. Still seems about $1k too high.
I guess we'll see what the actual consumer response is. I do have access to a perfect 5spd for $1k. I should just buy it and be done with it.
I guess we'll see what the actual consumer response is. I do have access to a perfect 5spd for $1k. I should just buy it and be done with it.
Aug 9, 2010, 11:21 AM
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To the people that believe this price is high. I am speechless, and am not going to comment. I've done what I could to explain the situation, and reasoning to pricing.
To those people that have an MR that care about their ratios that don't only drag-race an AWD Road-Going Rally Car (Possible Auto-X and Track Days... who doesn't like track days anyway?)... and spent the extra on an MR and want to keep it an MR... and also understand what work goes into this type of one-off custom work... Here it finally is... slowly coming together.
I'm doing my best to give as much information as possible, and give John Shepherd as much incentive as possible to produce a good amount of these that would make it WORTH even MORE of his time that he HASN'T gotten paid for yet with regards to this 6 speed project. As in ANY consumer related business, especially in the automotive industry... you will always have people that can't justify price on certain things (I have done this myself), and then you have people that can (which is me, on this one). The MR transmission is not cheap alone by any means... and for anyone that thought it would be cheap to build... think again. This is not a transfer case.
I hope the people on the list in the other thread remain serious inquirers. Whether you have to save up your money for a year or two, or buy 3 at a time, this transmission is coming from ShepTrans, where customer dis-satisfaction is not in the mans vocabulary.
Any serious questions... send my way via PM and I'll have John answer them asap.
Rock on 6 speeders.
To those people that have an MR that care about their ratios that don't only drag-race an AWD Road-Going Rally Car (Possible Auto-X and Track Days... who doesn't like track days anyway?)... and spent the extra on an MR and want to keep it an MR... and also understand what work goes into this type of one-off custom work... Here it finally is... slowly coming together.
I'm doing my best to give as much information as possible, and give John Shepherd as much incentive as possible to produce a good amount of these that would make it WORTH even MORE of his time that he HASN'T gotten paid for yet with regards to this 6 speed project. As in ANY consumer related business, especially in the automotive industry... you will always have people that can't justify price on certain things (I have done this myself), and then you have people that can (which is me, on this one). The MR transmission is not cheap alone by any means... and for anyone that thought it would be cheap to build... think again. This is not a transfer case.
I hope the people on the list in the other thread remain serious inquirers. Whether you have to save up your money for a year or two, or buy 3 at a time, this transmission is coming from ShepTrans, where customer dis-satisfaction is not in the mans vocabulary.
Any serious questions... send my way via PM and I'll have John answer them asap.
Rock on 6 speeders.
Aug 9, 2010, 11:26 AM
#251
I wasn't putting anything down, and I think the 6 speed is a great option. I also love to see new creativity and development for the Evo platform.
As I said before, I have my 6 speed still around and will send it in if these pan out well. I just broke the price down above to explain how much it would actually be if your transmission is shot and has to be totally rebuilt.
I understand the increase in price as they are a much more custom gearset then the one he offers for the 5 speed, and there are only a limited number of them too. I am sure I speak for everyone here that we appreciate your research and communication MagicManRed.
As I said before, I have my 6 speed still around and will send it in if these pan out well. I just broke the price down above to explain how much it would actually be if your transmission is shot and has to be totally rebuilt.
I understand the increase in price as they are a much more custom gearset then the one he offers for the 5 speed, and there are only a limited number of them too. I am sure I speak for everyone here that we appreciate your research and communication MagicManRed.
Aug 9, 2010, 12:08 PM
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buchnerj... I totally understand man. I didn't think you were putting anything down at all actually. In fact I like your posts/replies a lot. They put things in perspective and remove some clouds that some of us have floating around.
To metalsaber... you aren't getting 3 gears for 2000. In fact it's 1800. $200 isn't exactly nothing. But hey, if you want to throw me $200 I'll gladly take it. And it isn't 3 gears to begin with, you're getting 6. It's just that 3 of them are beefier. 3rd, 4th (being the most important), and 5th.
Erik_at_Mil.Spec... well said sir.
To metalsaber... you aren't getting 3 gears for 2000. In fact it's 1800. $200 isn't exactly nothing. But hey, if you want to throw me $200 I'll gladly take it. And it isn't 3 gears to begin with, you're getting 6. It's just that 3 of them are beefier. 3rd, 4th (being the most important), and 5th.
Erik_at_Mil.Spec... well said sir.
Aug 9, 2010, 12:16 PM
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buchnerj... I totally understand man. I didn't think you were putting anything down at all actually. In fact I like your posts/replies a lot. They put things in perspective and remove some clouds that some of us have floating around.
To metalsaber... you aren't getting 3 gears for 2000. In fact it's 1800. $200 isn't exactly nothing. But hey, if you want to throw me $200 I'll gladly take it. And it isn't 3 gears to begin with, you're getting 6. It's just that 3 of them are beefier. 3rd, 4th (being the most important), and 5th.
Erik_at_Mil.Spec... well said sir.
To metalsaber... you aren't getting 3 gears for 2000. In fact it's 1800. $200 isn't exactly nothing. But hey, if you want to throw me $200 I'll gladly take it. And it isn't 3 gears to begin with, you're getting 6. It's just that 3 of them are beefier. 3rd, 4th (being the most important), and 5th.
Erik_at_Mil.Spec... well said sir.
You need to be clear now since your original post is vague. Are you saying that the $2k price is for brand new 1-6 gears or only 3-5 (problem gears)? If it's for 6 brand new gears, I will change my tune. The problem is my 1-6 are just fine as is, so I'd rather know prices on 3-5 gears unless these new gears won't work with the factory gears.
Aug 9, 2010, 12:22 PM
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Prices are still vague. There is nothing definite yet. I am giving ball parks as he has not pulled the trigger on mass producing. He has given me estimated costs that will be very close to actual cost once mass produced.
Yes $1800 is for 6 actual physical gears. I am trying to get an answer to the rest of your questions. Will need some time.
In fact, I mentioned to John a few days back that I wouldn't be surprised if people will ask if they can just have 3rd, 4th and 5th. Must be a reason he hasn't priced them that way. I for one, want 6 new gears. But for those that want to save a little here and there... I understand and will see what his response will be.
I'll see what he says.
Yes $1800 is for 6 actual physical gears. I am trying to get an answer to the rest of your questions. Will need some time.
In fact, I mentioned to John a few days back that I wouldn't be surprised if people will ask if they can just have 3rd, 4th and 5th. Must be a reason he hasn't priced them that way. I for one, want 6 new gears. But for those that want to save a little here and there... I understand and will see what his response will be.
I'll see what he says.