PPX

what parts would i need to max this out? and how much would it run me?

detroit pistins

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this is probably a good thread for ya to check out, it has many examples and predictions!
gl
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...ega-merge.html

kanyonkid

iTrader: (33)

Q16, big injectors. Will prolly snap a rod if your on stock internals

PPX

thanks man!

BLKCarbonEVO

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Hit up this thread like everyone else said. How much power will my setup make....

The main thing is airflow. Allow your turbo to breath. What mods do you have now?

Mikey

leonevox

trying to max out your red is like asking for a new block. Keep the red under 32psi is your best bet. Half of my rod is in trashcan now. Good luck.

PPX

im actually picking up an evo next week. just getting ready for what i want to put on it. definitely want to go red. as it sounds i shouldnt max it out believe the block wont last long.

what is the usual hp the stock block can handle?

kanyonkid

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hp is not the concern, its the tq.. The reason people are snapping rods on turbos like the red or HTAgreen is because the Tq hits much harder than say a 35r or something. u wanna be under 450tq. Me personally will stay under 400 until the motor is built

PPX

good info! thanks!

leonevox

over 400lbs tg. is asking for it. It's not really the red that kill the motor, it's the E85 big torgue. Red on pump gas make around 330-370 torgue. E85 tune make around 450lbs.

leonevox

my 8 tuned it for 31psi red on E85 make 430 torgue. After trying on a Forge manual bc, boost jump up to 44psi, boooom , there goes my engine in the trash can. Who know how many ftlbs of torgue at 44psi. probably over 500. These evo Rods and bolts are very weak.

BLKCarbonEVO

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1) You are an idiot to run a Red at 44psi in the first place! That is over spinning the **** out of the turbo, you begin to over spin the Red at 130K, right around 35-37psi on the 2.0L.
2) You are once again an idiot to run 44psi on a stock block.
3) I expect you blow your motor because you were running crazy timing = high cylinder pressure and yes your tq was in the 500+range.
4) THE EVO RODS/BOLTS ARE NOT WEAK!!!

Tell me another car that you can get 600hp on stock block? Not very many, if any at all! The Evo 4G63 stock block is good to 600hp. Honestly a Black at 550/425tq would be a great street car and should hold up quite well as long as your timing is fairly low.

Sorry for your lose but you did that yourself. I ran 540hp/430tq on my stock block for over a year and never had a problem, along with a bunch of my friends too. Also E85 is safer on stock block because you can't knock as easy like pump gas. There are ways to keep tq low. Every car should be on E85 if you ask me! Please don't come on here tell new evo owners BS that is not true! You have two ears and one mouth for a reason!

Mikey

kanyonkid

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^^^ I dont believe he did that on purpose, he stated he added an mbc when it happened. Although u would catch it before u hit 44psi. But good on you for running 430 tq for so long. Again its one of those things that u win some u lose some...

BLKCarbonEVO

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Well you if it was not on purpose, that is a prime example of why you always turn your MBC all the way down and start from wastegate. not to mention that is better for tuning to start at say 20psi and move up slowly from there.

Ya i was luck. The motor looked brand new when we took it about. I think as long as you keep tq below 430-440 and keep timing 15-16 at a most then the motor will hold up just fine.

Mikey