LOL!!!!! why does that not sound right? vegasse ripped you off over a $100 throttle body?

 

i would also. its a great go kart, and very responsive to modifications. whats not to like about it? besides it being mitsubishi? LOL.

 

did you guys see the new subaru + toyota joint venture vehicle being released in 2011-2012?

Google toyobaru...... it looks like a winner to me.

 

Oh sick, combine the best of both worlds. The WRX and the Scion

 

exedy triple to much for me ill stick with my two exedy twin and exedy twin carbon if i have to get a triple ill do it. man i can see it now getting used to the pressure.

if you would like to inspect the peace of crap ill be more then happy to ship it to ya if you want to pay for shipping hints me semi trying to find another t/b now port or stocker going back on but t/b can be put on last so i got leads on some 65mm ones

 

blk,

thanks for the rod info. that helps things clear up a bit. i wiki'd the **** out of it to read up, but ill be getting my parts soon. just got to budget like rockman said.

honestly, the price of the exedy triple carbon makes me want to puke but i know ill puke more if i got a twin and burned it and needed a triple.

with the car being a 2.4 is it necessary to install springs/retainers with the kelford or s2 cams? i don't see the point really unless you take it past 8k but power tapers off then anyway with the black so no need to shift there. i dont know if valve float fears can warrant replacement of springs and retainers in this black build

 

I like the way the new STI looks, however I doubt it will come out to look that way. If it does, I'll buy it the day it comes out, but my evo will still be better!



Mikey

 

I had a Twin HD but sent it back just because the last thing I wanted was a twin disc that was installed and then I had to yank out right away becasue it couldnt hold the power, I figured the triple was good insurance. It wasnt an off the shelf triple either it was a revised version of the SR that Shep got for me from Exedy

 

now come on the twin can hold some power on its own accord if your shooting for constant 700 and up then i can see why but i dont want to go near that number. dont want to open another can of worms

 

lol. you could try shipping it to Aby from mil.spec and see what he can do with it.

 

i hope so..... right now it looks nice. they alreayd got forums for it. http://toyobaru.net/ im sure toyota/subaru seen this already

 

I've put some thought into this as well, and naturally, there are always tradeoffs. My cams are 272 deg adv duration, 222 @ 1mm, with 12.3mm lift. On paper that looks more like a WRC cam, and definitely not tailored for all-out high rpm power. If we look at the basic ramp rates for some popular cams without taking lift into account, we get this:


Basic ramp rates (smaller = more aggressive)
HKS 280: 280-222 = 58

My cams: 272-222 = 50
Kelford 280: 280-238 = 48
GSC S3: 280-238 = 48
Kelford 272: 272-226 = 46

Tomei 270: 270-227 = 43
GSC S2: 274-232 = 42
BF272: XXX-XXX =

Your cams: 274-236 = 38
JUN 272: 272-235 = 37

Of course, this doesn't tell the whole story. The ramps of my cams appear only moderately aggressive at a glance, but the difference is lift. My setup however is a 2.0L with a 8.6 SCR, a R/S ratio of 1.77, and won't be as forgiving to a long duration camshaft as your 2.4L, 10:1, 1.56 R/S motor.

My valvetrain that requires a lot of torque to turn over, requires a stiff spring set to control valve action (harder on valves and seats), and definitely creates piston/valve clearance concerns. Keep these things in mind if you're going to go steeper on the ramps. But conversely, keep in mind that aggressive ramps tend to make long duration cams more civilized, but without sacrificing the power potential that comes with it.

Also, I can't help but wonder if the hydraulic lifter valvetrain is really able to keep up without some bleed, but I have know way of knowing. I keep thinking about how hard it is to turn over these cams, Kiggly's 15psi at the lifters, and how my 'non-ticking' lifters damn sure tick with my valvetrain.

There is a point whereby a more aggressive ramp creates more problems than it solves. I don't know the lift of your cams, but looks to me like you're already in very steep territory. And where the head is concerned, my opinion with these heads is that if you've hit water, you're making progress.


My logic is sourced here:
Testing vs. Buschur ported stock w/E85

The results were rather impressive. An increase in power of 5% over a ported stocker, on E85, with at less indicated resistance (boost) results from reduced turbine side pressure and a lower PR across the compressor. It's like having one's cake and eating it too. Is it cheap? No, but neither is anything we're discussing here. What's it worth to possibly achieve 630whp at less boost than what it would ordinarily require to get 600whp? That's a calculated decision, and you already know mine.



For a standard block, I'd stick with 150mm. For a 4G64 block with its 6mm additional deck height, I'd stick with 156mm. Further lengthening the rod (e.g. 159mm) won't make a discernible difference on the dyno vs. 156mm, but the negative impact that results from the reduced compression height raises a whole 'nother can of worms.

What's a 'whole nother' anyway? Is there a such thing as a 'half nother'? Never did get that one ...

 

lol Its funny cause I was just talking to my wife about this not to long ago. She was never into cars before we met and for the first couple years she wasn't about it but she has been super supportive of my habit and even wants her own Evo now.

Anyways she was telling shes happy I'm getting what I want but shes not thrilled about the price and I said to her. I know I really do have a problem, spending 20k to get a car modified is just insane, but at least here on EvoM I'm in good company lol.

BTW I am not a doctor lol

 

least your spending the money on something you love and not gambling it away or spending it on drugs etc lol. one could always sell the project car and make some money back if needed

 

Drugs would probably be cheaper lol