Mikey's LR2.4 MIVEC 10:1 Motor Build
#151
his name is vegasse and he sold me a junk t/b with a **** port job so i prefer to leave that alone . i know mikey was not being serious. i was just saying the average person thats doing decient can have a bad *** evo just needs to budget his money and know things come in time dont have to have it all right now you know
#152
There will be motor pics in here on Wed at the latest. Aaron has all the pics at the shop and I will get them from him when I go to get my car.
No I was not serious! Rock will just believe anything you tell him. I am an E5 in the Navy. I just budget a lot of my pay to my evo. That's all. Anyone that knows me, knows I don't make that much money but I act like I do. I'm really just hella in debt!!!
Honestly if I was rich I would still have my evo. I love it.
Mikey
No I was not serious! Rock will just believe anything you tell him. I am an E5 in the Navy. I just budget a lot of my pay to my evo. That's all. Anyone that knows me, knows I don't make that much money but I act like I do. I'm really just hella in debt!!!
Honestly if I was rich I would still have my evo. I love it.
Mikey
#155
if you would like to inspect the peace of crap ill be more then happy to ship it to ya if you want to pay for shipping hints me semi trying to find another t/b now port or stocker going back on but t/b can be put on last so i got leads on some 65mm ones
Last edited by RockmanX; Jun 2, 2010 at 05:11 PM.
#156
blk,
thanks for the rod info. that helps things clear up a bit. i wiki'd the **** out of it to read up, but ill be getting my parts soon. just got to budget like rockman said.
honestly, the price of the exedy triple carbon makes me want to puke but i know ill puke more if i got a twin and burned it and needed a triple.
with the car being a 2.4 is it necessary to install springs/retainers with the kelford or s2 cams? i don't see the point really unless you take it past 8k but power tapers off then anyway with the black so no need to shift there. i dont know if valve float fears can warrant replacement of springs and retainers in this black build
thanks for the rod info. that helps things clear up a bit. i wiki'd the **** out of it to read up, but ill be getting my parts soon. just got to budget like rockman said.
honestly, the price of the exedy triple carbon makes me want to puke but i know ill puke more if i got a twin and burned it and needed a triple.
with the car being a 2.4 is it necessary to install springs/retainers with the kelford or s2 cams? i don't see the point really unless you take it past 8k but power tapers off then anyway with the black so no need to shift there. i dont know if valve float fears can warrant replacement of springs and retainers in this black build
#157
Mikey
#158
I had a Twin HD but sent it back just because the last thing I wanted was a twin disc that was installed and then I had to yank out right away becasue it couldnt hold the power, I figured the triple was good insurance. It wasnt an off the shelf triple either it was a revised version of the SR that Shep got for me from Exedy
#159
I had a Twin HD but sent it back just because the last thing I wanted was a twin disc that was installed and then I had to yank out right away becasue it couldnt hold the power, I figured the triple was good insurance. It wasnt an off the shelf triple either it was a revised version of the SR that Shep got for me from Exedy
now come on the twin can hold some power on its own accord if your shooting for constant 700 and up then i can see why but i dont want to go near that number. dont want to open another can of worms
#160
exedy triple to much for me ill stick with my two exedy twin and exedy twin carbon if i have to get a triple ill do it. man i can see it now getting used to the pressure.
if you would like to inspect the peace of crap ill be more then happy to ship it to ya if you want to pay for shipping hints me semi trying to find another t/b now port or stocker going back on but t/b can be put on last so i got leads on some 65mm ones
if you would like to inspect the peace of crap ill be more then happy to ship it to ya if you want to pay for shipping hints me semi trying to find another t/b now port or stocker going back on but t/b can be put on last so i got leads on some 65mm ones
#161
i hope so..... right now it looks nice. they alreayd got forums for it. http://toyobaru.net/ im sure toyota/subaru seen this already
#162
Ted,
thank you for the very informative post (as always). One thing I want to make sure I am clear on and anyone reading is, is that effective duration is not the same as advertised. For instance (and in talking to Anders as well) I am running cams that are 236@ 1mm and more lift with the head ported literally thru the casting on one port. They are still 274 advertised so realistically we have only altered the ramp rate to improve cylinder filling and evacuation.
I have heard about your cams so I know what we could be doing, at what point would you think the trade off between ramp rate and advertised duration has been overrun? Running the sim I am thinking I could probably squeeze another 6-8* before i really need to start adding some more advertised duration back in.
thank you for the very informative post (as always). One thing I want to make sure I am clear on and anyone reading is, is that effective duration is not the same as advertised. For instance (and in talking to Anders as well) I am running cams that are 236@ 1mm and more lift with the head ported literally thru the casting on one port. They are still 274 advertised so realistically we have only altered the ramp rate to improve cylinder filling and evacuation.
I have heard about your cams so I know what we could be doing, at what point would you think the trade off between ramp rate and advertised duration has been overrun? Running the sim I am thinking I could probably squeeze another 6-8* before i really need to start adding some more advertised duration back in.
Basic ramp rates (smaller = more aggressive)
HKS 280: 280-222 = 58
My cams: 272-222 = 50
Kelford 280: 280-238 = 48
GSC S3: 280-238 = 48
Kelford 272: 272-226 = 46
Tomei 270: 270-227 = 43
GSC S2: 274-232 = 42
BF272: XXX-XXX =
Your cams: 274-236 = 38
JUN 272: 272-235 = 37
Of course, this doesn't tell the whole story. The ramps of my cams appear only moderately aggressive at a glance, but the difference is lift. My setup however is a 2.0L with a 8.6 SCR, a R/S ratio of 1.77, and won't be as forgiving to a long duration camshaft as your 2.4L, 10:1, 1.56 R/S motor.
My valvetrain that requires a lot of torque to turn over, requires a stiff spring set to control valve action (harder on valves and seats), and definitely creates piston/valve clearance concerns. Keep these things in mind if you're going to go steeper on the ramps. But conversely, keep in mind that aggressive ramps tend to make long duration cams more civilized, but without sacrificing the power potential that comes with it.
Also, I can't help but wonder if the hydraulic lifter valvetrain is really able to keep up without some bleed, but I have know way of knowing. I keep thinking about how hard it is to turn over these cams, Kiggly's 15psi at the lifters, and how my 'non-ticking' lifters damn sure tick with my valvetrain.
There is a point whereby a more aggressive ramp creates more problems than it solves. I don't know the lift of your cams, but looks to me like you're already in very steep territory. And where the head is concerned, my opinion with these heads is that if you've hit water, you're making progress.
Testing vs. Buschur ported stock w/E85
The results were rather impressive. An increase in power of 5% over a ported stocker, on E85, with at less indicated resistance (boost) results from reduced turbine side pressure and a lower PR across the compressor. It's like having one's cake and eating it too. Is it cheap? No, but neither is anything we're discussing here. What's it worth to possibly achieve 630whp at less boost than what it would ordinarily require to get 600whp? That's a calculated decision, and you already know mine.
What's a 'whole nother' anyway? Is there a such thing as a 'half nother'? Never did get that one ...
#163
You're retarded and clueless. I'm over 15k in mine and i do all my own work almost 99%. Parts up add, but its no comparison to other more high end automobiles out there. Just because you cant afford it doesn't mean others cant.
If he wants someone else doing it then what is wrong with that? At least hes having a shop that knows their **** do it to begin with. You would be surprised how many people let others wrench on their vehicles that can do it themselves but choose not to.
If he wants someone else doing it then what is wrong with that? At least hes having a shop that knows their **** do it to begin with. You would be surprised how many people let others wrench on their vehicles that can do it themselves but choose not to.
Anyways she was telling shes happy I'm getting what I want but shes not thrilled about the price and I said to her. I know I really do have a problem, spending 20k to get a car modified is just insane, but at least here on EvoM I'm in good company lol.
BTW I am not a doctor lol
#164
lol Its funny cause I was just talking to my wife about this not to long ago. She was never into cars before we met and for the first couple years she wasn't about it but she has been super supportive of my habit and even wants her own Evo now.
Anyways she was telling shes happy I'm getting what I want but shes not thrilled about the price and I said to her. I know I really do have a problem, spending 20k to get a car modified is just insane, but at least here on EvoM I'm in good company lol.
BTW I am not a doctor lol
Anyways she was telling shes happy I'm getting what I want but shes not thrilled about the price and I said to her. I know I really do have a problem, spending 20k to get a car modified is just insane, but at least here on EvoM I'm in good company lol.
BTW I am not a doctor lol
#165