View Poll Results: I have blown my engine using a Fail Safe Meth Kit?
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How Many People Have Blown thier Engine using a FAILSAFE METH KIT?
May 27, 2010, 09:06 PM
#31
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What street is this station on anyway?
Last edited by sparky; May 27, 2010 at 09:11 PM.
May 27, 2010, 09:08 PM
#32
Ok for all the meth haters I find nothing wrong with meth. I was actually going to run meth on a built motor before making the decision to run E85.
If you run meth with stock ECU which I had originally planned on. Start with a good meth kit Aquamist only people. I would only run Tephra V7 with it. On the HFS-6 the is a yellow connector and there is a pink wire that outputs 4.7 volts under no fault or the system is ready this working with V7 pined to the stock ECU will switch to the alt map. Now when the meth system detects a fault such as low fluid, incorrect flow, or the gauge turned off it will trigger 0 volts which will pull the ECU to the original map. The time set to switch from one map to another is 1sec. Now add a 3 port boost control solenoid the ECU is controlling boost from high to low your taking 1 sec to switch from 35psi to 25psi.
What else can we add? Lets add a wideband into the mix and have the lets exceed the voltage preset and the WGDC will drop to 0%. Also add in high knock count and a longer then 2 sec duration after CEL continues to flash after last occurrence has stopped and boost will drop to 0% WGDC.
There is nothing wrong with meth as long as it's installed with disaster in mind. If everyone would install their meth systems in this manner engine failures would be eliminated.
If you run meth with stock ECU which I had originally planned on. Start with a good meth kit Aquamist only people. I would only run Tephra V7 with it. On the HFS-6 the is a yellow connector and there is a pink wire that outputs 4.7 volts under no fault or the system is ready this working with V7 pined to the stock ECU will switch to the alt map. Now when the meth system detects a fault such as low fluid, incorrect flow, or the gauge turned off it will trigger 0 volts which will pull the ECU to the original map. The time set to switch from one map to another is 1sec. Now add a 3 port boost control solenoid the ECU is controlling boost from high to low your taking 1 sec to switch from 35psi to 25psi.
What else can we add? Lets add a wideband into the mix and have the lets exceed the voltage preset and the WGDC will drop to 0%. Also add in high knock count and a longer then 2 sec duration after CEL continues to flash after last occurrence has stopped and boost will drop to 0% WGDC.
There is nothing wrong with meth as long as it's installed with disaster in mind. If everyone would install their meth systems in this manner engine failures would be eliminated.
May 27, 2010, 09:46 PM
#33
I myself have been running Aquamist products for many years . In fact I've run the same kit on two cars now. My failsafe has kicked in twice since I've been using water/alcohol injection. The first time my fuse blew rendering my pump nonoperational and the second time the mechanic who changed my clutch forgot to attach the water hose back on my uicp. Both of those times my failsafe kicked in and switched my maps in my ECU to my default 91 octane only tune. No damage to my engine what so ever. I constantly maintain my water/alcohol system to make sure it's working at its best at all times. Living in California with crap 91 octane and using water/alcohol injection is the only way I can live with having decent performance. Now I have had great experience with water/alcohol injection and I have to admit that sh*t can happen, so I could never say that I will never have engine failure. All I know is that 8+ years of using water/alcohol injection successfully is pretty good in my book.
May 27, 2010, 10:03 PM
#34
This thread is absolutely silly. Meth HAS shown positive results in MANY cars. There are MANY reasons why people blow engines, and yes meth has been one of the causes.
I used meth for almost 3 years and loved . I have recently switched to e85 as more stations have opened up and will keep it becuase it provides better gains and I dont have to constantly refill my meth.
I used meth for almost 3 years and loved . I have recently switched to e85 as more stations have opened up and will keep it becuase it provides better gains and I dont have to constantly refill my meth.
May 27, 2010, 10:14 PM
#35
Like this?
Meth, due to it's low surface tension is much better at equal distribution than water is. With the right nozzle and pressure, it atomizes fairly well. Direct port is an extra safety factor in my mind. I swapped to direct port (see photo), but didn't see any +/- over the old two nozzle setup.
Meth, due to it's low surface tension is much better at equal distribution than water is. With the right nozzle and pressure, it atomizes fairly well. Direct port is an extra safety factor in my mind. I swapped to direct port (see photo), but didn't see any +/- over the old two nozzle setup.
You may not see power gains but you will see the motor stay healthier..
Mike
May 28, 2010, 06:21 AM
#38
If you were going to run meth, the direct injection method shown above would be the way to go, but it's expensive and most people won't do it. Even then, things can still go wrong with the rest of the system.
May 28, 2010, 06:56 AM
#39
In my last post in this thread, i explained why 1 sec is a very long time when things are going wrong.
If you were going to run meth, the direct injection method shown above would be the way to go, but it's expensive and most people won't do it. Even then, things can still go wrong with the rest of the system.
If you were going to run meth, the direct injection method shown above would be the way to go, but it's expensive and most people won't do it. Even then, things can still go wrong with the rest of the system.
To reinforce what you are saying, at 6000 rpm, 50 ignition events occur. That's fifty times that something might get ****ed.
May 28, 2010, 10:14 AM
#40
I think the risk depends on how dependent the tune is on the meth injection. If you car is going to spike to 13:1 AFR if the kit quits, then you will be in a lot more trouble than if the AFR just goes up a 1/2 point and you are tuned to low 11s AFR. Keeping EGTs in check must be worth some longevity, particularly for those running hard for 20 minutes at a time at the track.
May 28, 2010, 10:34 AM
#41
Well we're getting lots of opinions here about why failsafes cannot prevent engine damage with system failures but no real input from the OP's original question : "How Many People Have Blown thier Engine using a FAILSAFE METH KIT?".
I see 4 people replying on the OP's Poll about engine failure with failsafes. Can you guys please post and elaborate on what happened? The OP wants some feed back and I'm curious as well.
I see 4 people replying on the OP's Poll about engine failure with failsafes. Can you guys please post and elaborate on what happened? The OP wants some feed back and I'm curious as well.
Last edited by EvoTio; May 28, 2010 at 10:40 AM.
May 28, 2010, 10:37 AM
#42
I can say that my Aquamist failsafe kicked in during a timed Redline Time Attack session and, not realizing why my car was losing power, I stayed in it for at least half a lap. No damage done. The cause of the system failure was melting underhood system components.
May 28, 2010, 11:26 AM
#43
So if i can't run E85.....and meth is not good (which i already run) What is a guy like me supposed to do? I going to be running a 6262 on a build block (as well as other mods) and i want my 600+ Whp...I don't think there is any other way to get that other then running E85 or C16...
Unless i'm missing something here and that could be very possible.
Oh and for the O.P i haven't blow my motor in the 2 years I've been running meth.
Unless i'm missing something here and that could be very possible.
Oh and for the O.P i haven't blow my motor in the 2 years I've been running meth.
May 28, 2010, 11:39 AM
#45
Rock why you got to bust my b@lls? I do all the work to my car except tune. I spent a lot of time on my Meth and failsafe install so I'm sticking with it. I am working on a 93 setup and Meth setup tune so I will be on 93 75% of the time I drive the car. I installed everything on my car and plan on building my motor myself. That's not being lazy.