Bad shuttering and jerking from a stop with Quartermaster
Jun 6, 2010, 10:09 AM
#1
Bad shuttering and jerking from a stop with Quartermaster
I know a lot of people are running a QM clutch, so I thought I'd ask here. I just put this clutch in, and I cannot seem to start from a stop without serious shutter and borderline axle hop. I don't mean just a little jerky, I mean to the point where it feels like its going to break something. I've tried changing how much I slip it and nothing seems to help.
Has anyone experienced this, and if so what did you do to fix the problem? I'm pretty sure I just need to re-learn how to drive it, but I've never experienced a clutch that did this. Sorry for the stupid question, but this is really aggravating. Thanks.
Has anyone experienced this, and if so what did you do to fix the problem? I'm pretty sure I just need to re-learn how to drive it, but I've never experienced a clutch that did this. Sorry for the stupid question, but this is really aggravating. Thanks.
Jun 6, 2010, 10:55 AM
#4
What I am saying is what your experiencing is normal for the clutch. Its a clutch that is not designed to be slipped. its a small diameter rally clutch designed for quick/direct shifts.
I can drive virtually any clutch and make the car drive smooth. I have a well modulated clutch foot. I have many times let people drive my cars and what i learned from that is most people dont know how to drive a 5 speed car. they simply dont know how to modulate the clutch correctly. this is 100% why some can drive the stock clutch well into the 11s while others will burn it out trying to run a factory 13.5 second time.
My experience with the quarter master clutch lasted two weeks. I absolutely hated it. Its not a street clutch. there are dozens of better choices.
When shopping for a clutch using board feedback its important to look at the negative feedback more than the positive. Just because someone can live with these harsh characteristics and call it a nice clutch and give it good feedback doesnt make it a good clutch for everyone.
This clutch feedback is also a perfect example of how the "go fast " , "drag race" shops over influence the boards. The shops in the lime light are those with all the go fast records. They know how to go fast and set records. but they do it by killing the daily driver fun these cars potentially deliver. adding race car parts to your daily driver will quickly turn your nice evo into a rolling piece of crap no one would like to drive on a daily basis.
this includes but not limited to:
harsh clutches that shift well but do nothing else well.
cams that make good power but will drive you crazy idling at 1000+ rpm sitting at a traffic light. hard motor mounts that will rattle everything you didnt know could rattle. loud exhausts that will drive you crazy on a road trip of any length. and attract cops and ricers alike. and worst of all is powerbands that suck for daily driving. this deserves a chapter in itself.
I can drive virtually any clutch and make the car drive smooth. I have a well modulated clutch foot. I have many times let people drive my cars and what i learned from that is most people dont know how to drive a 5 speed car. they simply dont know how to modulate the clutch correctly. this is 100% why some can drive the stock clutch well into the 11s while others will burn it out trying to run a factory 13.5 second time.
My experience with the quarter master clutch lasted two weeks. I absolutely hated it. Its not a street clutch. there are dozens of better choices.
When shopping for a clutch using board feedback its important to look at the negative feedback more than the positive. Just because someone can live with these harsh characteristics and call it a nice clutch and give it good feedback doesnt make it a good clutch for everyone.
This clutch feedback is also a perfect example of how the "go fast " , "drag race" shops over influence the boards. The shops in the lime light are those with all the go fast records. They know how to go fast and set records. but they do it by killing the daily driver fun these cars potentially deliver. adding race car parts to your daily driver will quickly turn your nice evo into a rolling piece of crap no one would like to drive on a daily basis.
this includes but not limited to:
harsh clutches that shift well but do nothing else well.
cams that make good power but will drive you crazy idling at 1000+ rpm sitting at a traffic light. hard motor mounts that will rattle everything you didnt know could rattle. loud exhausts that will drive you crazy on a road trip of any length. and attract cops and ricers alike. and worst of all is powerbands that suck for daily driving. this deserves a chapter in itself.
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Jun 6, 2010, 08:23 PM
#9
What I am saying is what your experiencing is normal for the clutch. Its a clutch that is not designed to be slipped. its a small diameter rally clutch designed for quick/direct shifts.
I can drive virtually any clutch and make the car drive smooth. I have a well modulated clutch foot. I have many times let people drive my cars and what i learned from that is most people dont know how to drive a 5 speed car. they simply dont know how to modulate the clutch correctly. this is 100% why some can drive the stock clutch well into the 11s while others will burn it out trying to run a factory 13.5 second time.
My experience with the quarter master clutch lasted two weeks. I absolutely hated it. Its not a street clutch. there are dozens of better choices.
When shopping for a clutch using board feedback its important to look at the negative feedback more than the positive. Just because someone can live with these harsh characteristics and call it a nice clutch and give it good feedback doesnt make it a good clutch for everyone.
This clutch feedback is also a perfect example of how the "go fast " , "drag race" shops over influence the boards. The shops in the lime light are those with all the go fast records. They know how to go fast and set records. but they do it by killing the daily driver fun these cars potentially deliver. adding race car parts to your daily driver will quickly turn your nice evo into a rolling piece of crap no one would like to drive on a daily basis.
this includes but not limited to:
harsh clutches that shift well but do nothing else well.
cams that make good power but will drive you crazy idling at 1000+ rpm sitting at a traffic light. hard motor mounts that will rattle everything you didnt know could rattle. loud exhausts that will drive you crazy on a road trip of any length. and attract cops and ricers alike. and worst of all is powerbands that suck for daily driving. this deserves a chapter in itself.
I can drive virtually any clutch and make the car drive smooth. I have a well modulated clutch foot. I have many times let people drive my cars and what i learned from that is most people dont know how to drive a 5 speed car. they simply dont know how to modulate the clutch correctly. this is 100% why some can drive the stock clutch well into the 11s while others will burn it out trying to run a factory 13.5 second time.
My experience with the quarter master clutch lasted two weeks. I absolutely hated it. Its not a street clutch. there are dozens of better choices.
When shopping for a clutch using board feedback its important to look at the negative feedback more than the positive. Just because someone can live with these harsh characteristics and call it a nice clutch and give it good feedback doesnt make it a good clutch for everyone.
This clutch feedback is also a perfect example of how the "go fast " , "drag race" shops over influence the boards. The shops in the lime light are those with all the go fast records. They know how to go fast and set records. but they do it by killing the daily driver fun these cars potentially deliver. adding race car parts to your daily driver will quickly turn your nice evo into a rolling piece of crap no one would like to drive on a daily basis.
this includes but not limited to:
harsh clutches that shift well but do nothing else well.
cams that make good power but will drive you crazy idling at 1000+ rpm sitting at a traffic light. hard motor mounts that will rattle everything you didnt know could rattle. loud exhausts that will drive you crazy on a road trip of any length. and attract cops and ricers alike. and worst of all is powerbands that suck for daily driving. this deserves a chapter in itself.
To the OP,
I used the Tilton Clutch for many miles. A very similar unit to the QM.
I got to tell you, I hated to DD with that Clutch. I do not know how I was able to put up with it for so long.
Per Tilton, this clutches are for racing purposes only. They are not made for DD.
I got their email to back that statement up.
The Clutches are incredible for holding power and lighting fast shifting.
Other than that, they rattle, make noises, chirp, etc.
Just wear it out and change it later if you are still not happy.
Jun 6, 2010, 08:37 PM
#10
I DD my EVO and pretty much never launch on it which is why i chose the Exedy push style HD twin. If i was going to use my car as just a weekend warrior i would opt for the QM as it does its job and holds a ton of power and takes launching abuse well etc. I have the QM in my talon and its great for that car as i don't hardly ever drive it 
The QM is a good clutch for its intended purpose but for daily driving its a nightmare IMHO.
The QM is a good clutch for its intended purpose but for daily driving its a nightmare IMHO.
Jun 6, 2010, 08:48 PM
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i got an exedy twin launched the hell out of it. i have lots of dd with it including 500 mile trips no problems traffic not a big deal. If you arent racing your evo get an exedy and call it a day. Also tilton doesnt have sprung hubs idk about qm but it sounds like it doesnt either. That means it holds more power but puts more abuse on your drivetrain. Call a shop maybe next time i called john at sheps and devo straight up told me tilton is junk for dd
Jun 6, 2010, 11:04 PM
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i got an exedy twin launched the hell out of it. i have lots of dd with it including 500 mile trips no problems traffic not a big deal. If you arent racing your evo get an exedy and call it a day. Also tilton doesnt have sprung hubs idk about qm but it sounds like it doesnt either. That means it holds more power but puts more abuse on your drivetrain. Call a shop maybe next time i called john at sheps and devo straight up told me tilton is junk for dd
Jun 7, 2010, 07:48 AM
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Agreed with 94AWD. QM is definitely not the DD clutch of choice. If you dd you want the exedy twin or something similar. Tilton and QM are for draging and racing not driving normal speeds!!
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