VTEC does not add power anyway you wanna try and spin it. VTEC, Varriable valve timing electronic control, allows you to run a big cam and small cam at the same time thus saving gas. It takes away power down low, and it lets the power of the bigger cam lobes take over at a certain rpm. So it does NOT add power, it takes away power to save gas at lower rpm then gives you back the power at a certain rpm that you would of had already without vtec.

 

I've personally had my entire engine, transmission, and transfer case out of my car in just over 2 hours when using a car lift and dropping it out the bottom. This included all disassembly required to get it out such as the turbo kit and transfer case etc.

I've started with a bare long block, installed all sensors, exedy triple plate clutch, transmission, transfer case, drive shaft, AMS turbo kit etc... by dropping in from the top with the hood off and had my car driving and starting to tune in a little over 12 hours. All I had was a helper for getting me tools and a little muscle power here and there.

Needless to say I've done it several times so I've gotten fast at it. To answer your question, yes it is possible, especially with a lift and dropping engine out the bottom of the car. Organization is also key, I lay everything out in order on two 6' tables and bag nuts/bolts and such that go together and label the bags. This is where an assistance can come in handy

 

A non vtec car will make the same hp in the upper rpm but will make more at lower rpm. Given the cam(s) are the same size as the larger lobe in the vtec car. This is why high performance hondas delete vtec.

 

Agreed but this is not the case in any honda engine. LS Integra 1.8 non vtec vs. GSR 1.8 vtec. the gsr will eat the LS in the upper RPM

In other words honda does not make a cam that will keep it in the large lobe all the time. Yes there are aftermarket alternatives

 

I 100% agree although there is other differnces in a ls an gsr, comp and such. But the point is VTEC does NOT add power. PERIOD!!! The reason the stock honda motors that have vtec make more hp is because they have bigger cam(s) not because they have VTEC.

 

You can look at it however but once the solenoid is activated and the rockers get up on the higher lobes it makes more power this is VTEC. If it stayed on the lower lobe through the rpm range it would make less power. So one can conclude that when in VTEC the car is making more power

Without the VTEC it would not engage the rockers to ride on the larger cam lobe

 

Right but VTEC does not add power, it changes the cam to a difernt lobe. Its the cam thats adding hp. As I already explained and you agreed. A non vtec car will make more power down low and mid range than a vtec car if they have the same cam lift/duration. Vtec is for saving gas by TAKING AWAY power at low/mid rpms.

My friend has a ls with cams that are just under that of the gsr on the bigger lobe. Who walked on who? The ls took the gsr by 4 cars before the vtec came on and the gsr never could over come the huge gap. Both cars have pretty much the same mods, and before the ls got the cams the gsr would take him by 2-3 cars in the 1/4.

 

This would be the most easiest thing to do, take off all the sensors off the engine, and the power steering line and the rad lines. Drop the whole subframe with motor and trans, then swap everything over, and reverse the steps, push out the car to hook up rest of sensors.

 

Word . Now we on the same page man

 

listen boss, you can spin it however you want for the sake of argument, the fact is.. A car with a 1.6 or 1.8 whatever without a vtec head that is STOCK... will not make as much power if it had a b16 or b18 vtec, stock, key word here is stock... Hondas Non vtec engines make pathetically little power from the factory, so they run a cam that will try and make a little more torque down low without giving up driveability and MPG. Whatever Honda does with the cams, rockers and valves and what not, isn't the point, the point is Hondas vtec is what enabled them to provide a car that still has awsome driveability, awsome fuel economy and MORE power. Everything else is splitting hairs for argument sake, the people that designed and built the F'in car saw this - non vtec= great gas mileage/driveability, cheap, weak power... Vtec = more power with everything from before except it's more expensive... Which is exactly why they sold cars with and without vtec.
Aftermarket world, your right, ditch the vtec, simple is better and the power is there at the expense of driveability. But non of us here give a **** about aftermarket Honda stuff, and if anybody does, visit hondatech.
OP sorry for hijacking your thread, I didn't like reading the indirect insult that implied your buddy is a "joke" of a mechanic becuase of the school he went too.

 

for OP sake lets get back on topic, sorry i have nothing to add besides this hahahah Gl with taking you motor out

 

So if I undo the harness, A/c pump, Transfer case, powersteering, remove the radiator, and then remove my turbo system on saturday then the sway on sunday should go smoothly correct?

 

i took my wiring out of the way and pulled the hole turbo exhaust mani everything makes it easyer to get out and put back in pull the power steering and the other meticulous bs use a cart

heres a pic of the cart i used



took me by myself 2 hours to pull the motor so 8 hours is kool

 

Thats just like LTI both re jokes

 

Wow only 2 hours. Thanks for the input, that makes me feel alot more confident about it