Ball Bearing FP Black - who want's one?
Sep 7, 2010, 03:59 PM
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Sep 7, 2010, 07:04 PM
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The question i want to know is WHY? Why would you by an FP black for say 1800 bux....then spend an additional 1200 bucks on this conversion!?? is it worth it? not in my opinion, just by an HTAXXX or a 62XX whatever. Converting journal bearing turbo to a BB turbo when there are TONS of options around just doesn't make sense to me.
But if this is truly what you want the have atter.....i'm just curious as to the point...
But if this is truly what you want the have atter.....i'm just curious as to the point...
Sep 8, 2010, 06:52 AM
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The question i want to know is WHY? Why would you by an FP black for say 1800 bux....then spend an additional 1200 bucks on this conversion!?? is it worth it? not in my opinion, just by an HTAXXX or a 62XX whatever. Converting journal bearing turbo to a BB turbo when there are TONS of options around just doesn't make sense to me.
But if this is truly what you want the have atter.....i'm just curious as to the point...
But if this is truly what you want the have atter.....i'm just curious as to the point...
Sep 8, 2010, 08:05 AM
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I don't really have anything new to say, but wanted to add my voice to the group of supporters for a BB black. I think the idea is fantastic. I've considered a black for some time, but the fact that I've personally seen two reds fail on lapping days has made me stick with a T3 setup. Now I know seeing and hearing about reds failing isn't seeing or hearing the same about blacks, but don't they have the same journal bearing center cartridge? There's where my hesitation lies.
I'd love to come off an apex with boost 600-800 rpms earlier, because quite honestly, I'm lazy. I don't want to have to down shift every damn time. Too much heel/toe gives me a calf cramp.
A BB black is the best of both worlds for me, and it sounds like for a few other folks as well. Fast spool, great response between shifts, reliability, can produce and hold power till redline. Another nice part is instead of worrying my turbo will break because I kicked it's ***, I can keep worrying something else will break because I have a kick *** turbo.
I'd love to come off an apex with boost 600-800 rpms earlier, because quite honestly, I'm lazy. I don't want to have to down shift every damn time. Too much heel/toe gives me a calf cramp.
A BB black is the best of both worlds for me, and it sounds like for a few other folks as well. Fast spool, great response between shifts, reliability, can produce and hold power till redline. Another nice part is instead of worrying my turbo will break because I kicked it's ***, I can keep worrying something else will break because I have a kick *** turbo.
Sep 8, 2010, 03:05 PM
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post 28 explains it well. its not 1200 but 900 for conversion. and for those who know how to build a responsive fast street car its well worth it. most will fall in your category of making drag car like mods to their car and making huge sacrifices to the drivabilty. switching from black to tubular looses you 7-800rpm spool. thats no small sacrifice to me. especially when I have seen more than a couple of 700whp blacks that throws the "tubular makes more power" right out the window.
Fair enough, that's a valid point. I guess i'm just after a different goal with my car at the moment, so the pirce for a BB black doesn't seem practical...but for those that are after a very responsive turbo this may be what there looking for.
Sep 11, 2010, 07:37 AM
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You'd want to be really sure about the 6-800 RPM spool improvement because thats a lot for the size of the wheels .
I think for this to be an economic reality the original upgrader - FP needs to be in on it because is not very practical to have an OE turbo modified and assembled then same again including an OS Holiday .
Perhaps what you need to do is try to organise a center housing and ball bearing pack that takes the Mitsy shaft and housings . Really if you can accurately bore out the guts to take a Garrett or similar bearing pack and organise for the pack to suit the Mitsy turbine shaft diameter it may be easier than you think .
Probably step one could be to see what HKS does and beg their suppliers for a similar center section .
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I think for this to be an economic reality the original upgrader - FP needs to be in on it because is not very practical to have an OE turbo modified and assembled then same again including an OS Holiday .
Perhaps what you need to do is try to organise a center housing and ball bearing pack that takes the Mitsy shaft and housings . Really if you can accurately bore out the guts to take a Garrett or similar bearing pack and organise for the pack to suit the Mitsy turbine shaft diameter it may be easier than you think .
Probably step one could be to see what HKS does and beg their suppliers for a similar center section .
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Sep 11, 2010, 07:40 AM
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Not that serious to convert the Black at all to bb, especially for $1200. If it was $200 sure, hell even $500 isnt that bad. But $1200 is just dumb.
At that point, might as well just buy a 2nd Black and be the first idiot to have the worlds first twin turbo FP Black setup not in the 9's
At that point, might as well just buy a 2nd Black and be the first idiot to have the worlds first twin turbo FP Black setup not in the 9's
Sep 11, 2010, 01:23 PM
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Rather than making the FP Black BB, FP should just make a mitsu-flanged, twin scroll hotside for the HTA3582 (basically a hotside just like the stock mitsu, but that will fit on a garrett chra). They already did this for the DSMs years ago. It should be able to bolt up to a stock manifold with an internal wastegate. I would definitely buy something like that.
Sep 12, 2010, 12:14 AM
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Yeah well Mitsy made it better than most with a twin scroll twin integral gate turbine housing and its a hard act to follow because they never enlarged Evo engines to 2.4/2.5L or made a suitable TD06 Evo turbine housing .
Somewhere between an Evo style TD06 turbine housing and a hand full of ***** is the answer .
AFAIK the 10.8 cm Evo 9 style turbine housing GT Pumps sells here in Australia is the largest bolt on T housing option .
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Somewhere between an Evo style TD06 turbine housing and a hand full of ***** is the answer .
AFAIK the 10.8 cm Evo 9 style turbine housing GT Pumps sells here in Australia is the largest bolt on T housing option .
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Sep 12, 2010, 06:06 AM
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Isn't the housing on the HKS turbo a new casting? Maybe we can get some of these housings and the BB center sections.
Yeah well Mitsy made it better than most with a twin scroll twin integral gate turbine housing and its a hard act to follow because they never enlarged Evo engines to 2.4/2.5L or made a suitable TD06 Evo turbine housing .
Somewhere between an Evo style TD06 turbine housing and a hand full of ***** is the answer .
AFAIK the 10.8 cm Evo 9 style turbine housing GT Pumps sells here in Australia is the largest bolt on T housing option .
A .
Somewhere between an Evo style TD06 turbine housing and a hand full of ***** is the answer .
AFAIK the 10.8 cm Evo 9 style turbine housing GT Pumps sells here in Australia is the largest bolt on T housing option .
A .
