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Old Oct 13, 2010, 11:10 AM
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Old Oct 13, 2010, 11:27 AM
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Just have fun with your car, and do what makes YOU happy, because at the end of the day, that is all that matters..

but you know how I am mr happy go lucky

I won't say that " it sucks that you are calling it quits to your 8 second attempt" I will say CONGRATULATIONS on burning rubber in 3rd gear... THAT IS ONE hell of an accomplishment in my book{ thumbup}
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Wow guys some of you are making me re-think trying it again! haha

You guys can call it quitting, I guess since I wanted to go 8's and didn't and now I'm not going to keep spending thousands of dollars every few weeks to get it, I am quitting. It's OK, though, my accountant will thank me! haha

If I decide next year that I want to run 8's, then I'll revisit it. Right now to be absolutely dead honest, I am happier than I've been in a very long time. This entire morning I've spent working on the car. As you guys can see I've shortened the list of parts for sale by quite a bit, I sold the dog box, brakes and boost controller already.

My new trans and clutch are on their way here. I got my scale back finally from repair and I'm attempting to corner weight the car, it's kicking my *** though.

Let me give you guys my opinion on the street car thing. Yes, the dog box would be drivable on the street BUT I would not consider it a street car with the trans being in it, not after actually driving it. It's loud (yes someone may accept that) it has to be shifted quickly and firmly and what I think makes it not a street transmission is the downshifting. I'm sure there's a technique to it and someone will argue, personally, after owning it for a short time I'd say "no".

I will also say that with a new Tilton clutch in the car a normal good condition EVO trans can be shifted at WOT, I was hoping to gain some serious ET. The dog box did allow the car to still shift even with the clutch starting to go, it would NOT have been possible on a stock trans.

Putting small brakes on the car doesn't make it "not a street car" but it sure makes it "not an EVO". One of the best things about an EVO is how it stops, putting small brakes on it takes that away from it and I love the EVO brakes. Taking that away to me makes it nothing more than a drag car.

I set out to do this with a street EVO. I could have done 10 things to the car to get it to run 8's, but TO ME, they all would have taken away from it being an EVO or from being a street car.

I'm happy to say and know that when it ran 9.0 it was 100% legit and was what an EVO should be.
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Originally Posted by davidbuschur
What a day, what a few weeks, hell what a few years.

9.04 at 159.64 mph will stand as the best ET and MPH for my car, as of today I am not going to try and go quicker/faster with it.

I've managed to make more power, fatter power curves and learned a hell of a lot over the last two seasons of racing, since it ran that 9.0. This has resulted in making it harder and harder to get the car down the track. Today was proof of that.

Last week Dan, my brother and owner of Buschur Automotive put the new engine/head in the car I built to try to go 8's. Yesterday it was dyno'd and made an effortless 706 whp.

Over the last few weeks I have spent more money on this project than I have in the last few years combined. I wanted nothing more than to get this 8 second run done and in the history books.

This morning we met up at the shop, Kevin and Dean Lawson, myself and Jarrod and headed out to the track. Nice cool fall air, private track rental, I knew we were going to go 8's, there was no doubt in my mind. I spent the money, we went over the entire car and the time was put in, lots of effort, Kevin is a hell of driver, how could we NOT go 8's?!

The car had a fresh Tilton clutch in it, always works great when they are fresh. It also had, dare I admit it and say it, a dog box from Shepherd Racing. Yes, I wanted this so bad that I shelled out the money and had John do a dog box for me. Keep in mind our 9.04 was on a standard Bushwacker trans as I've always said it was. This dog box was bought for this day, for this goal, so I could finally be done with it.

The first 3 passes the car bogged, it made no sense. It wasn't hooking up after the bog but it was just dying after the launch. The 3rd or 4th run Kevin didn't come back from the end of the track. The car blew one of the motorcycle slicks either right at the end of the pass or as it as slowing down. Luckily nothing happened. We pulled the wheel/tire off, ran to Harlow tire and bought a new slick, mounted it up and went back for more passes. Harlow is located at the track so it was a 30 minute delay from star to finish. Lucky us, in many ways.

I made some changes to the tune and it helped with the launching. The next run the car finally cleaned the tires off and when Kevin hit the brakes to stop for the starting line something skidded past me on the ground. I walked out and picked it up, it looked like an exhaust hanger, then I realized what it was. It was a piece of the fancy new rear end brace I had just built. I backed Kevin up, loaded the car in the trailer and we headed back to the shop. The new brace was destroyed, we took it out, put in our normal mustache bar and headed back out to the track.

It wasn't starting out very good but we knew the power was there and hoped the bad part was behind us. Back at the track the car was just blowing the tires off one pass and then the next it would bog and then blow the tires off. Now when I say that the car is blowing off the tires I'm not talking about just spinning in 1st gear, the car was LOSE in 1st, 2nd and through 3rd. We have three video angles of this action and Jarrod is working on a video, it's quite disturbing that an AWD on slicks was this out of control. Kevin did a hell of a job driving it.

A dog box is a wonderful thing, clutch being junk or not it still shifts. What's not so wonderful is it shifts into any gear at any RPM......ask me how I know. I'm not sure how many RPM the car hit when at 9500 rpm in 2nd gear it was shifted back into 1st gear but let me tell you, it was a LOT. The comments on the starting line were, "WTF, is that a Formula 1 engine?!" I figured the car had to be hurt, nope. Absolutely NOTHING wrong. As a matter of fact the next pass was the best of the day, 9.33.

A car can not post a good ET if it's not accelerating forward and in our case today the car was not moving forward because until it hit 4th gear it was spinning and was out of shape.

We managed a 158.xx mph run. Our best 60' was a miserable 1.54, we've run 1.40 on these tires. Anthony, one of the track guys, even resprayed, hit the track with gold dust and dragged it for us, still would not hook up. I thought about the spring change I made but the fact is the 8k rear spring is how the car was when it ran 9.0, I don't think changing springs would have had any effect on the car. The car left smooth but 2nd and 3rd gear were horrible and simply spinning the tires.

As the day went on the logs and what I was hearing were telling me the clutch we just bought and just came back from Tilton was slipping. It just could not hold the power, so trying to run more became dumber and dumber.

At the end of the day we ran 12 passes. The car is running like a top and ready for whatever is next.

I had a great time today, I went there with a good positive attitude and even after not reaching my goal of running 8's left with a good positive attitude.

This goal is done. Too much money and time invested in it and I am satisfied with the car. Refusing to gut the car, refusing to run small brakes, refusing to make it a drag car makes the goal tougher than it needs to be and now it seems we are going to need the perfect day with a perfectly prepped track to do it too. The other option is a real tire/slick and that will require me running small brakes, I'm not willing to do that.

I am moving onto my next chapter with the car. I don't ever intend to sell it.

I want to use it for autocrossing as I have said I guess now instead of having an 8 second autocross car it will be a 9.0 autocross car. haha

Here's something funny I was thinking about. I can run the car at about 32 psi boost and it makes 640 whp. At 42 psi it makes 700. Pushing it that extra just taxes everything.

I think what I am going to do is install another waste gate spring and set the boost to run at 30-34 psi of boost on the gate alone. No boost controller. Lock myself into leaving it there. Then I am going to work on seeing how much torque I can produce at that boost/whp level. I'd like to end up with a 500+ ft lb, 640 whp EVO I can use for everything.

I can't list pricing here but I have a long list of things for sale now that this part of my goal is finished. I want to list them here so if you guys are interested shoot me a PM.

League Racing wheels and M/T motorcycle slicks

Bushwacker Stage 1, 5 speed trans, low miles and 3 drag runs, shifts perfect

BR Forward Facing turbo kit, Tial V-band .82 housing for 35r turbo, COMPLETE minus actual turbo. Down pipe is V-band on both ends.

(2) Tilton clutches. Carbon/carbon. These are the best drag clutches you can buy but they do not last forever. I have two of them. Any car under 650 whp they will work in without touching them. IF you want to shift at WOT like you own a dog box without buying a dog box, this is the clutch you need. I will sell them cheap enough that when you do get them rebuilt you will still come out cheaper than buying one new. They are about $5500 each new now.

That should do it for what I am changing on the car.

A great new video should be coming in the next few days. Jarrod has a hell of a lot of footage to sort through and put together.

BTW, John Shepherd was out there in the Talon, it was nice to see it out again! His luck wasn't quite as good as ours and had a down shift happen which knocked his rockers off and ended his day.

Tym Switzer as out there with a few bad *** GTR's. He now holds the GTR MPH record by a considerable margin, 156+ in the black car. Jamie's white GTR also ran well into the 9's. This was his first ever shot at drag racing any GTR's, to say they did well would be an understatement.

I'll post the video up here when Jarrod gets it done.

Thanks for all the encouragement and support.
Dk's , 997 gt2 was there also right? ran a 140 trap effortlessly on pump
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Dave, I've followed your progress over the past couple of years and it amazes me what you have been able to do with the badbish.

However, have you tried electronic boost control using c02? Over the past couple of years I haven't seen you try anything of the sort so if you have excuse my ignorance.

We had electronic boost control in my talon using c02 and let me tell you, it settled the car down a TON on the launch and the 1-2 shift and through 2nd gear. Picked up an average of .200 through the 60ft-330ft.
It is what netted me my 8second pass. I went from cutting low 1.5 high 1.4 60fts to 1.32-1.35 60fts and my 330ft, drastically dropped too.
1st gear I would only run 23lbs, 2nd gear would ramp up towards 36lbs and 3rd-4th gear it was full on 45lbs.
Even if you don't wanna use c02 you can still use the EMS to control boost via vehicle speed. It does help a ton. I know you have the dual stage buschur boost control on the car, but does it control ramp speeds?

Anyway, just a thought. You are only a 60ft/330ft. away from your 8second pass. I seriously think you can do it, infact I KNOW you can do it! That would be my main focus is the 330ft mark. Bring that down a tenth, and that 8second slip is yours buddy!!

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What don't you try and see if you can get either M/T or Hoosier to make you a true slick (instead of those QTPs) to fit a 16" for your CCWs so you can keep your stock brakes? I think that would be your best chance at getting a good 1.3 60'. I honestly think your largest problem is the tire. You need a real slick with a wide sidewall.
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Dogbox's are frggin sweet......rebuilding them after 3000 miles, not so sweet. But if the car is just being used for auto cross and a bit of street driving, then it should last a while.

There comes a point with every racer were you have to decide whither you keep going, or cut your loss and move on.....no one can make or change that decision but the "Racer"
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Originally Posted by lillev23
What don't you try and see if you can get either M/T or Hoosier to make you a true slick (instead of those QTPs) to fit a 16" for your CCWs so you can keep your stock brakes? I think that would be your best chance at getting a good 1.3 60'. I honestly think your largest problem is the tire. You need a real slick with a wide sidewall.

That would be a sweet idea! Although it could get very expensive! Or atleast I would think so.

And I dunno why people don't think the hoosier QTP's are not all that good. I have gone 8.66 @165mph on them with consistent 1.3x 60fts. It's all in the chassis setup and boost control I had over 3 seasons on my old hoosiers and still cut 1.3-1.4 60fts.
Granted I don't have the chassis properly setup on my evo I have yet to cut a decent 60ft on them, but I don't blame the tire. I blame the suspension, open front diff, stock un shimmed rear end that won't lock up for crap. And the alignment is not setup properly either.

Either way, Dave is sooooo close to that 8second pass. I can understand that he is getting tired of sinking tons of money into it for that .05 seconds. But honestly, I think the setup is there, the suspension is there, everything is there for it, just need to dial things in a tad more for that 1st 330ft of the track and the 8second pass will come with ease.
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DK's car went home on a trailer I think, broken crank pulleynor something. Keep in mind the car this thread is about ran 9.72 at 145 p mph on just 93 octane two years ago.

Our dual stage boost control we've run on vehicle speed through the ECU, yes. It was not set up like that yesterday and when we were doing it a lot I can't say any ofnthe drivers really liked it, we ended up getting away from it. I do agree the Hoosier QTP is a good tire, I sold my set and CCW's to Shepherd earlier in the year for his EVO. They were actually on his DSM yesterday.

Also agree the car is a good 60'/330' away from an 8 second pass. I just don't want to give it another shot. It's really not a big deal anymore, I turned the "want to" switch off.

I got the light rotors off the car and sold today. The dual stage is off and shipped. The dog box is sold and the car is going to sit until We pull the trans out. New trans and exedra triple disc will be there shortly. STM clutch stop going in too.

BTW, I contacted M/T and MH about a slick to fit the DSM/EVO and STI crowd, now of them are interested.

If I found a really cheap set of wheels and some Hoosier QTP's Id be tempted to........oh he'll here I go again...hahahah
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^ You are a true inspiration Dave and I mean that! 9.0 is a great time and there is always later if you decide you want to try again. We support you!
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Dave!

I will let you borrow my RX7 with Qtp s when ever you want! Let me know I am going friday to test. I have a couple of other rim tire setups.Let me know I am game for sure.Street tires won't slow me down, cuz I'm a slow driver. I am trying to just get into the 11s. Only about 15 miles or less from norwalk.
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dave are you leaving the wet 2.0L motor in or do you feel you may go back to a 2.1L.
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Originally Posted by rong.
I will let you borrow my RX7 with Qtp s when ever you want! Let me know I am going friday to test. I have a couple of other rim tire setups.Let me know I am game for sure.Street tires won't slow me down, cuz I'm a slow driver. I am trying to just get into the 11s. Only about 15 miles or less from norwalk.
There you go Dave. Give it one last shot with a real slick.
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Aaron, thank you, I appreciate the comment. The bottom line is, I'm just a car guy who loves messing with cars. It's nice to know people enjoy watching it all.

rong, I just very well may take you up on that offer. Damn it, it's been less than 48 hours and I'm already thinking about trying it again...............maybe it will be more fun if it doesn't seem like it's such a mission to get it done!

evodan, I am not going to go back to the 2.1 engine. I am considering, however, of building a 2.3 4g63. It will depend on how this next round of testing goes for me......yes it is never going to end. Right now the mission is to see how much low/mid range I can make at "low" boost levels and how responsive I can really make this package, without sacrificing any top end in the 640'ish whp range. A stroker for that project makes the most sense. I can not however justify pulling this engine out of the car with just a few dyno runs and 12 passes on it...........unless I find a buyer. Going to a stroker would also ruin the idea of attempting 8's again as the RPM wouldn't be there, even with a final drive change.
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If you only want 640 ish, with better low/midrange, why not just put a hta 3582 on it?

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