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Old Nov 12, 2010, 04:37 PM
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GTXR aero is my main concern regardless of issues we had with the TiAl. It is a billet version of an older Garrett design that dates back to the early 80s. We might try it in a different housing, not sure since it all depends on if we can sell it.

I would like to say though that an off the shelf 4508 did make 1118whp in the same housing at 46psi on Import so I wouldnt think the 1.0 a/r is necessarily is choking it. Most of the 1.15 and 1.28 are divided housings from what I have seen but if its not being used a twin scroll it still flows about like a single.

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Originally Posted by JohnBradley
GTXR42R has not proven to be a great turbo. We have taken ours off and gone back to the 4202 standard line up turbo. All the 8s we have run have been on an off the shelf GT4202 in a Tial housing. The GTXR42 doesnt work in the TiAl for sure, it could be that we ran into housing issues and that was why it didnt work too hot.

I would think about waiting to see what the turbo does in smaller form before I'd do anything. I doubt that they are going to be better than the FP HTA stuff based on what I have seen of the GTXR42R.

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I was told they changed there covers on the GTXR42R shortly after they were released they seem to have good luck with them on the supra/honda fourms but mention the same problems with the tial housing.
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Originally Posted by JohnBradley
GTXR aero is my main concern regardless of issues we had with the TiAl. It is a billet version of an older Garrett design that dates back to the early 80s.
Um. The GTX aero was designed in 2007.
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Originally Posted by JohnBradley
GTXR aero is my main concern regardless of issues we had with the TiAl. It is a billet version of an older Garrett design that dates back to the early 80s. We might try it in a different housing, not sure since it all depends on if we can sell it.

I would like to say though that an off the shelf 4508 did make 1118whp in the same housing at 46psi on Import so I wouldnt think the 1.0 a/r is necessarily is choking it. Most of the 1.15 and 1.28 are divided housings from what I have seen but if its not being used a twin scroll it still flows about like a single.

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Actually, the full height blade design goes back to the 60's with the Rayjay turbos. Because the design is a little similar doesnt mean performance will be even close. When you compare an old Mitsu compressor (Garrett based) design to a current FP or Precision design, you will see the splitter blades. Performance will be vastly different with the newer billet compressor, even though they may look a little similar.

If you guys went from a GT to a GTX with a 1.00, I wouldnt expect to see any serious gains. You really need to run a bigger housing to see the potential from the new compressor, no question about it.

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Um. The GTX aero was designed in 2007.
Read above.
Old Nov 12, 2010, 09:34 PM
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I spoke with some of the Garrett guys last week at SEMA. Can't wait to see if they back the hype up with results.
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Considering the price point (MSRP anyway) and feature set, I think Garrett brought a pickle to a gun fight this year against BW.

We shall see though.
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sorry for the stupid question but i treid to "read" the copressor maps thy offer ....

but can only see that they offer more flow up top so does it mean they wont spool faster ?

i would buy a gtx3076 if its spools faster thn my normal gt3076... more power is not my goal.
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Originally Posted by HHIX
sorry for the stupid question but i treid to "read" the copressor maps thy offer ....

but can only see that they offer more flow up top so does it mean they wont spool faster ?

i would buy a gtx3076 if its spools faster thn my normal gt3076... more power is not my goal.
Get a GTX3071R. It will make power like a GT3076R but spool quicker.
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Originally Posted by ScorpionT
Get a GTX3071R. It will make power like a GT3076R but spool quicker.
The spool should be very similar because the exducer is the same size. The compressor wheel is slightly smaller. I would go with gtx3076.
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perrin has been testing them and posting the results on nasioc.
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I have the GTX3076r being shipped and should arrive next week. I kept my coated 0.82 a/r turbine housing for the setup, but have not decided how to proceed. I have a RevHard manifold and Tial 38mm, but have been debating the tial turbine housing and just building a one off 321SS log style manifold.
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whens the bolt on gtx3076 coming for the evo x.....i want!!!
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Originally Posted by bimmer8181
The spool should be very similar because the exducer is the same size. The compressor wheel is slightly smaller. I would go with gtx3076.
The exducer on the GTX3071R is smaller than the GT3076R by 5mm. You also cant compare spool strictly looking at inducer or exducer measurements. Weight (inertia) also plays a part, with the billet wheels being lighter. Ive driven a couple cars that went from the GT3076R to GTX3071R (just recently) and there was a noticeable difference.

Originally Posted by 240Z TwinTurbo
I have the GTX3076r being shipped and should arrive next week. I kept my coated 0.82 a/r turbine housing for the setup, but have not decided how to proceed. I have a RevHard manifold and Tial 38mm, but have been debating the tial turbine housing and just building a one off 321SS log style manifold.
You should have bought mine. Dont use a log manifold, no sense getting an efficient turbo and building a horrible log. Get a nice tubular manifold.
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Originally Posted by ScorpionT
You should have bought mine. Dont use a log manifold, no sense getting an efficient turbo and building a horrible log. Get a nice tubular manifold.
Your price was good, but I get a much better deal

I am only concerned with tubular if I were to go twin scroll. Otherwise, there is no issue with a properly designed quasi log manifold. BTW, I use the word LOG loosely.

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Originally Posted by 240Z TwinTurbo
Your price was good, but I get a much better deal

I am only concerned with tubular if I were to go twin scroll. Otherwise, there is no issue with a properly designed quasi log manifold. BTW, I use the word LOG loosely.
Cant argue with that logic!

A quasi log wouldnt be bad, as long as its not a true log. A tubular will still perform much better... remember the GTX flows like a 35R


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