Fireballix

Greetings from Austria,

i'm about to receive a new Black in a few days (hopefully) cause me Red failed after 1 year and FP
is going to repair it on warranty. ( i do have to pay for the upgrade though).

i made 525hp to the crank with the Red on 29psi and 100octane fuel.
i don't know how much power this would be on a mustang dyno and i'm pretty
sure that there are also different correction types between european and american measuring.
so i have a small video here where i'm accelerating in 4th gear up to 160mph. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtw7pm8j-P0
however i've never had problems so far with the 6-spd.
but since i read through this thread:
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...our-turbo.html
where a lot of people are going with the Red instead Black due to the 6-spd
i'm gettin' a bit scared.

a friend of mine had some problems with his 6-spd on a similar setup
...he couldn't shift into 6th anymore.
our tuner said, that this happens if you floor the car too often in 6th gear with that amount of power.
he said that the 6th gear is the weakest and it will fail very easy.
that's why i'm only using the 6th gear for crusing since than ;-)

so when i receive my black.....are there any other hints/tipps on
what to do/ or what NOT to do, to make the 6-spd live longer?
looking for advice.

best regards,
Luke

tscompusa2

iTrader: (22)

525hp crank is like 414whp on mustang dyno. you should be fine, just dont floor it in 6th then. you shouldn't be able to floor it in top gear anyways unless your rpm's are pretty high, cause it will surge from the motor choking out from not being able to ingest the airflow.

btw 6 speed 4th gear does not go to 160mph lol.

BEISSEN

iTrader: (31)

I think he meant 160Kph,

But the 6 speeds are one of those unknowns TRE says 290 ft/lbs of torque and others say more or less. There are allot of members running 400+ ft/lbs but if you race or autocross it 1. cool off between runs and 2. dont slam gears or dump your clutch. The weakest from my understanding is not the 6th gear its the 3-4 its due to heat and in the 6 speed its the thinnest gears compaired to the 5 speed. If you want a decent built tranny goto shep he offers the 6 speed not and its like 1900 with the basic 4.09 final drive and I think almost 3k with the 4.11 final drive.

tscompusa2

iTrader: (22)

ya i knew he meant kmph i was just busting his *****. i didnt know the 6 speeds were that weak wow! only 290ft/lbs TRE says? no wonder everyone gets rid of them.

tscompusa2

iTrader: (22)

he meant he was accelerating in 4th gear up to 160mph since he maxed it out to 270km, i just read his post wrong. he worded it kinda awkward. started in 4th gear and went through the gears to 160 he should have said.

BEISSEN

iTrader: (31)

Thats what TRE claims but in that case the stock setup would kill it honestly. But now that shep has stepped up things are differant. There are two many trannys dead that TRE built. But if you look at sheps gears OMG they are monsters. Also shep said the 6th is no issue and wont bother changeing it he is replaceing 3,4,5 and upgradeing the internals with more oil passage for cooling and might have a option on adding bungs for those who want to add a cooler to the tranny. He has had 2 cars out for testing and they were over the 600WHP mark on the 6 speed with good success. Now 5 speeds have a challenger and I dont need to spend 4k to swap over lol.

keath

I am on the same boat..
My red took a crash and they offered me cheap upgrade.. but i dont know if it is a real upgrade. I asked around alot of reputable posters here and I get 50/50 love between the red and the black..
i just decided to stay with the red cuz of my stock 6speed. My turbo should be here in 2 weeks cant wait.

cij911

iTrader: (14)

As mentioned previosly it is torque that breaks stuff. The FP Black won't produce more torque per se, it will just hold torque to redline better than a smaller turbo (thus more hp). I believe the issue is more severe with the smaller turbos with massive torque spikes.

keath

^^^Dyno graph's i ve seen, Black seems like it make more tq than red..

BEISSEN

iTrader: (31)

Think of this is there a differance in IX turbos? The upgrade is going to be the same as a new one as they gut and machine a new turbo as they do a used one. So no cheap upgrade there as im also awaiting my new FP 84mm Red ported from them as well should not be long. The six speed if driven right and not like a tard should be fine. Its heat and people have shown the gears heated they warp and who are those people track users without cool off time and dragging the car without proper slipping and not enough cool off time for the gears. Also what power and.mode do you have shoot me a pmbwould like to compair to my setup keith.

BEISSEN

iTrader: (31)

Any turbo. Hats flows 68lbs a min will as the red is 56/8 and the sweet spot on a black is 5-6 psi higher then a red. RED=24-25PSI BLACK= 30+ to wake it up so yeah black for a Built motor and most likely tranny.

keath

Mods in my Sig..
i have been running red for a while... untill last month it decided to explode LOL
made about 525/465 on VDR 6 speed has done me no prob so far...

keath

I meant they offered me a cheap upgrade... since my turbo is already there
oh BTW red's sweet spot is not 25psi.. trust me it is 30+ i have tried both

cij911

iTrader: (14)

I cannot understand what you are trying to say ? Have you already started celebrating Thanksgiving (ie have you been drinking)?

The 'sweet spot' for a FP Red is NOT 24 psi....There are a number of posts that compare the Red and Black - Black is bigger, lagger, and holds better / cooler boost up top - and thus makes more horsepower. Iirc, generally the Black makes about 20-40 who over the Red.

BEISSEN

iTrader: (31)

Here is where I got it.

FP RED

22-24PSI Pump Gas

FP Black

Above 25 PSI


Now what mean they start opening up at this point and I will base my info from the manufature not a 3rd parts shop.