New BW EFR Turbo Thread
#2176
Some more fun with Garrett Boost Advisor - I tried to simulate RTErnie's dyno run, 557 whp on E85 posted in post #1986.
In this run 34psi (max boost) was reached at 4000 rpm. That's going to be the first operating point (mid).
Max hp was reached by about 7000 rpm, you could even say 6500 rpm. I'll use 7000 for the second operating point (max).
HP target is 735 at the crank. This is figuring 25% drivetrain losses, I don't know, maybe that's a little high. Anyway that's about 550 hp at the wheels.
2.2 liters.
VE=98% This I tweaked to get the required boost to come out to 34psi which is what ernie's graph shows it was at 4000 rpm. Default given for 4 valves per cyl is 90%.
Intercooler eff = 80% This is a little higher than the default given for air-to-air.
Western WA zip code - cool weather and high baro pressure.
Let's look at the operating point summary table:
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Looks good, HP and boost agree well with what is in RTErnies dyno data at both points.
So let's see what turbos the advisor picks out for ernie:
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Aw bummer there aren't any GTX's on the list!
Let's look at the map for one of these turbos, with the 2 points plotted:
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Man look at that first point way out in left field. RT, it might just be that you can't do what you did with any Garrett turbo
In this run 34psi (max boost) was reached at 4000 rpm. That's going to be the first operating point (mid).
Max hp was reached by about 7000 rpm, you could even say 6500 rpm. I'll use 7000 for the second operating point (max).
HP target is 735 at the crank. This is figuring 25% drivetrain losses, I don't know, maybe that's a little high. Anyway that's about 550 hp at the wheels.
2.2 liters.
VE=98% This I tweaked to get the required boost to come out to 34psi which is what ernie's graph shows it was at 4000 rpm. Default given for 4 valves per cyl is 90%.
Intercooler eff = 80% This is a little higher than the default given for air-to-air.
Western WA zip code - cool weather and high baro pressure.
Let's look at the operating point summary table:
[IMG][/IMG]
Looks good, HP and boost agree well with what is in RTErnies dyno data at both points.
So let's see what turbos the advisor picks out for ernie:
[IMG][/IMG]
Aw bummer there aren't any GTX's on the list!
Let's look at the map for one of these turbos, with the 2 points plotted:
[IMG][/IMG]
Man look at that first point way out in left field. RT, it might just be that you can't do what you did with any Garrett turbo
Last edited by Talonboost; Nov 9, 2012 at 07:02 PM.
#2177
Bah, excel and a hour worth of time and you can build your own "matchbot." Hell, I've got one that will map the ECU for fuel, match the turbine, spit out a dynochart, calculate fueling requirements, and it works with most turbochargers (properly correcting for each brand's standard conditions I might add).
FWIW, I think Garrett used the extended tip stuff back in the 90s on the TR30R. Along with billet wheels back in the 80s. Just sayin...
FWIW, I think Garrett used the extended tip stuff back in the 90s on the TR30R. Along with billet wheels back in the 80s. Just sayin...
#2179
#2181
320kpa/100kpa = 3.2
Last edited by R/TErnie; Nov 12, 2012 at 01:44 PM.
#2182
Haha I wasn't really rubbing it in (too much ) - I've seen you tackle much more complicated topics so figured it must have been a moment Gist at the end of the day is the EFRs are pretty awesome turbos, I am most impressed with the more recent history of events regarding them.
#2183
#2187
nobody knows. it sounds like since the release, their suppliers are having a hard time making the parts in the quantities/quality they need. lots of people have been waiting a lot longer than you and they still dont have their turbos. a few of us ordered early and got ours a while ago.
#2188
technically... there is a waiting period before it's legal. And I certainly didn't vote to legalize it... just what we need... people driving stoned.