n2oiroc

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even david buschur has said that stock ecu's just dont drive as nice as a standalone. like i said before, they work and make power, but standalone just does it better.

R/TErnie

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Given that you have 10k... this is what I think would be the BEST use of your budget. However there are risks and unknowns. Condition of T/C, Transmission, and Stock longblock are big wildcards. This is assuming you're going to wrench on your own car.

Injectors, Buschur double pumper, 2 walbros (1200) **E85**
Cams, Springs, Retainers (700)
Twin Plate Clutch (1500)
Tune w/ Ecu Flash (500)
Manifold, wastegate, Downpipe, Dumptube (assume FR... 3000)
Turbo fluid plumbing (200)
LICP (250)
FMIC (700)
UICP (450)
Mini Battery Kit (250)
Magnus v5 (750)
Exhaust w/ test pipe (600)

Total $10,100

Capable of EASILY supporting 450-500whp on E85 for AT MOST 3 years (more likely 1-2 years) before a built shortblock. Evo's need transmission and T/C work regardless of HP.... so plan for it. www.teamrip.com That 500whp car with a respectable driver full weight will trap mid 120's and run DEEP in the 11's on street tires.

Ditch the Audi. Welcome to Evom!

**EDIT** doing this list made me realize... I've spent a good bit on my car! GASP!

jtbell86

Lol this made me realize what I've spent and I'm not even in your price range.

20austin08

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lol sometimes its better not to add it all up..

jtbell86

Well said sir

05ah8james

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If you have $10,000 sitting around, invest it.

R/TErnie

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Buy a short sale home in a nice neighborhood in the coming months at the bottom of the double dip. Hold onto it for 5 years or so and buy a new audi and evo

derekb727

Thank you for the in-depth reply, greatly appreciated



thank you, I wish E85 was readily available around here

sometimes it hurts, lol

did you read the thread? I am not investing every penny I have, I have my investments, I work hard for a reason, to enjoy my life.

I will actually be looking for an investment property to refurb and turn in to a duplex once I get back from Iraq here. Live in one side, rent the other. Hell yes.
Then after I get the loan payed down some.
Buy me a nice house in the country, with a huge garage with the VA loan that I qualify for.

But thanks for the Investment ideas, lol
This forum needs to be the "savvvy evo investors and engine / turbo / drivetrain"

lol

thanks guys,
decision is still up in the air,
I love my German car, but I dont see it beneficial money wise quite yet to swap cars.
What would happen if i do build an Evo is i would take the Audi back to stock, make it my daily and the Evo would be the weekend racer

SmurfZilla

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If you're car isn't a daily or you don't have emissions in you're area then yeah I'd agree thats worth it but I would hate to have to switch back to stock ECU to pass the smog check (and the stock ECU would need to be somewhat tuned just to make it to the smog referee).

And even though Dave is a Guru there is enough tuners on here that like the stock ECU just fine. Maybe its not as easy to use as a AEM or Haltech but it is a tool that plenty have used for a variety of setups. IF you are lucky enough to be in a state with a good stock ECU tuner or don't mind working with one on email then have at it.

I know I don't have anyone in GA that is good at stock ECU (a debate could be made for any kind of ECU for that matter) so I'm forced to do email or ride out of state. So i'll admit if I had a AEM or Haltec then I might have better choices in state, but i digress

Pure EvoIX

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You want a well balanced car. With that said, here is my 2c. This is assuming you can do all the labor yourself.
I suggest you ditch the turbo to be honest. Hard to make it all work with other mods on car like exhaust manifold/o2 housing.

Engine ($5,950) (400-450whp on 93)
Turbo (FP Black/BBK-B)
Titek 02 Housing V2
Ported/Coated Exhaust Manifold
MilSpec 65mm TB
Cams (Kelfords/GSC/Cosworth)
Valvetrain (springs/retainers)
ARP Head studs
FMIC
LICP
UICP
TBE
Intake (AEM/Perrin)
Boost Pill/ECU Boost/Boost controller
1000cc Injectors (enough for pump gas)
Fuel Pump (Aeromotive or that Deutchworks one)
MilSpec TB Seals
1 Step Colder Spark Plugs
Tephra Mod V7
Custom Dyno Tune

Suspension ($2600)
Bilstein PSS9 or KW Suspension
Adjustable RSB 25mm
Roll Center Kit
Alignment

Brakes ($500)
Ferodo DS2500
S.S. Lines
Motul 600

Tires ($600)
255/40/17 (Z1 S.S/RS3)

Track Stuff ($350)
Helmet
CG Lock

You need a good clutch with this setup. Swap out the coilovers for an ACT or Exedy clutch and springs if you wish.

This will give you a very well balance car jack of all trades, master of none. The car will stop decent/turn well/and possibly run high 10s/low 11s on pump 93 depending on turbo. Please consider selling your current turbo. Use the money to buy another turbo that fits better with the evo. If you must insist on keeping it, then I don't know exactly what to advise on the 02 housing/manifold/downpipe/wastegate setup.

Good luck! Spend wisely.

Ludikraut

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Speaking from experience and having sunk waaaaayyyyy more than $10K into my 2003 Evo, this is what I would do if I was to do it over again:
- Start with mild suspension and power mods, basically shoot for 350-400whp, this will allow you to keep your block stock and, if it's still in good shape, allow you to use the stock clutch for a while

- My initial build goal would be a car with good (but not crazy) power that is very well balanced. 350-400whp will get plenty of pucker factor on road courses if you're still relatively new to road racing.

- Start attending HPDEs and see how well you do and how much you like it. If you've never been on track, then the lower power will work in your favor. Track newbies with 500+whp can be a recipe for disaster. My first track day was on a cammed Evo 8 (~280whp) on all-season tires, and I'm super glad that's the approach I took, as it taught me a lot about how the Evo handles and reacts to poor driver input. It took me a good 3-4 track days and a spin in the wet to get rid of some of my bad habits.

- Then determine the next steps, you may decide to run Time Attack or maybe change to Auto-X or maybe ditch turning in favor of drag racing. At this point, whatever decision you make will greatly affect your next mods. If you end up getting serious about road racing, you'll quickly find that the average 10second Evo is no match for a well prepared but less powerful track car.

Anyways, hopefully you'll decide to get an Evo. I've owned my fair share of Audis, and while they make great street cars, I just couldn't see turning an A4 into a weekend warrior. They can be a PITA to work on, and feel like slugs compared to an Evo.

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R/TErnie

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good points brought up above....

1) stock frame turbo's... best bang for the buck.
2) You need to drive the car for a while to figure out what YOU want out of it. To say 10g's blown on your Evo.... you might find that the power is plenty and you want to auto-x or road race it. In that case you'll be spending money on shocks, springs, brakes, tires, bushings, etc.

My advice for starting with owning an Evo. Take it slow. Just because you put xxx part on the car doesn't mean its the part that suites your purpose. making small changes that suit your needs i think is vital. If you change too many things at once, you'll morph it into somehting you don't like very quickly.

sirsol

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I would get a built bottom end from one of our sponsors (Buschur, MAP, etc.), which can be anywhere from 2500-4000 depending on parts and source. Figure another $1000 for headgasket, new bolts, misc. stuff (timing gear, water pump, gaskets, etc.). Get a FP black, cams, injectors, double dumper, and some other mods (LICP, exhaust, etc.) for about 3,000 more (at the high end). Budget another grand (though it shouldn't be nearly this much) for a good tune and you'll break 500 on E85 with no problem and still come under budget. Good luck!

18bora

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I think "someone" told him the same thing in post #48
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...1#post69605191

golgo13

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That's a whole lot of track time.