OK, after talking with a friend of mine that has an FP Black (and after something major broke that requires me to replace the entire front subframe), I decided to just do an entire rebuild of the motor, tranny and rear diff. Tranny, tc and rear diff, I'm not too worried about since I was going to send it all to TRE some time this year. What I'm more worried about is the motor and turbo choice.

I'm really looking into the FP Green because of how it spools like stock and more power.

Here's the tricky parts.
-I have to hit 500 on pump 93.
-I also want to avoid using things like meth or nitrous.
-Car is still a street car so I can't have an aggressive build like cams that don't idle.
-I want to keep my stock exhaust manifold and it will be ported.
-Intake mani might be ported as well.

Now that I explained my limits, is 500WHP possible on an FP Green?

 

it would cost you a lot of $ to make 500 on 93oct with the fp green hta. you need lots of bolt ons to help make that power.

see this customers car with a stock longblock, stock cams etc, with the hta green; https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...ane-28psi.html

then he made this on e85; https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...e85-500hp.html

if your goal is 500 on 93oct then you might want to get the fp black instead.. heres a built 2L with mild hks 272 cams on fp black on 93oct hitting over 500: https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...oct-magic.html

i have a 2.3 and fp black.. and personally its the best combination ive had in a vehicle when it comes to response (spool), very long powerband, etc..

 

Built motor w gsc cams, built and ported head w a bbk-b at 30 psi will do the trick, and if u have e85 then very easily and boost at 35 psi. It spools fast and goes thru redline and the head with net a 8000 rpm redline and should give that black a run for his money

 

How hard is it to build a 2.3L? I've been looking into them and there's even a kit for them on Buschur but I want to know what all has to be done to the block to make it accept the 2.3L.

 

Post up the 93 octane, BBK-B, 500WHP dyno plot. It's not that I don't believe you. I just want to see it.

I guess that if you could do it with a BBK-B, then you could probably get pretty close with an FP Red. Exactly how radical of a build would it take to wring 500WHP on 93 out of a Red, or a BBK-B, anyway?

 

500 on pump with a proper no BS build no problem on a Green HTA.

 

Unless you get a fully built head, intake manny, bottom end that can handle the boost.....and a lucky irshman tuning your car, i'm gonna say no.....or at least not an easy feet.

Just get a FP black, or 6262.....lag isn't that bad once ur used to it.....just my opinion.

 

Easy for you to say Curt.. Everything you have FLIES!!!

 

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...-tweaking.html


Here ya go

 

You missed the part of 93 octane..

That isnt on 93.. On e85 we make 500+ on FP green with basic bolt ons..

 

The Turbo is still relatively new and results are hard to come by but in the dyno tuning results section there is a full thread on it. A guy on there is making 450 on a stock block w bolt ins at 28 psi ish. Now a 2.3l with headwork and full bolt ins at 30 psi will make 500. Has anybody posted a dyno graph of that setup, no. It is speculation backed by partial proof and only because there isn't more data. It flows more than a green and if u read the reviews its a monster, quick spool w massive gains. If I had the money I would show you but I don't and have to settle for a bbk full. Just trying to throw an option out there.

 

And 500 HP on a green on a MD. Can I see

 

been done multiple times on e85. and 500 is not hard to achieve on a basic bolt on setup like mike said above with a hta green on e85.

i understand a bbk-b is maybe slightly bigger then a fp red if not the same. comparing apples to oranges here. the hta green spools quick as hell.

 

Made 522whp on a little girl break in tune at 22psi on the dynojet, yes it was E85 but could be done just as easy on gas, went on to make 573 that day with more boost still on a weak sause tune. Now making 570 on a MD E85, will try for more next week at Buschurs. The Green is just flat out awesome.

 

Show me proof it flows more than a green. No speculation on a different motor. Cbre has proven a green makes more Hp so far and is faster. Until I see a bbk do what a green has done in the real world it's all speculation as far as I can see. Period.