View Poll Results: Should ETS offer there IC Pipes in Aluminum?
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ETS Intercooler
Aug 4, 2011, 02:48 PM
#17
We will not build our piping in aluminum. The reason being is aluminum is not near as durable as stainless steel. On a daily basis I deal with customers who have purchased aluminum piping and these are the reasons I see why it's bad.
Reasons Aluminum Is Bad.
Reasons We Use Stainless Steel
It's not cost, stainless steel is 4x the amount of the price of aluminum tubing. Trust me, the profit would be much greater with aluminum piping then stainless steel. So when you see companies charging more then us for piping that is made out of aluminum you know somethings not right.
We believe in selling a product at a fair price with suburb quality. If we put our name on the product and offer our life time warranty, we want the product to last a life time, not just a few years.
Piping is not the only thing we don't skimp on. The quality of intercooler cores we use are superior then the majority of the intercooler core on the market which in turn cost us a lot more money and we offer the intercoolers at the same price even though we have changed the designed which results in costing us more money. It's the end result which we are proud of. Our motivation has never been to overcharge, but charge a fair price and give you the highest quality product possible. The majority of our customers use these products on a daily basis, not just on the track.
We take these same processes into our day to day actions by hand porting each manifold, surfacing each manifold, porting the inlet and outlet of your intercooler to give it a smooth finish for that non turbulence flow.
I can go on and on about the pro's and con's but right now, stainless seems to be pretty positive
If it's weight savings your looking for we also have an affordable titanium option with a way stronger stencil strength then steel and the weight of aluminum.
Thanks!
Michael
Reasons Aluminum Is Bad.
- Over Tightening The Clamps Results In Crushed Pipes That Are Not Fixable.
- They are weak, and vibrations will tear the brackets right off the pipes.
Reasons We Use Stainless Steel
- Durability. Piping will last longer than the car will.
- You can tighten the clamp down as tight as possible and you will not hurt the piping.
It's not cost, stainless steel is 4x the amount of the price of aluminum tubing. Trust me, the profit would be much greater with aluminum piping then stainless steel. So when you see companies charging more then us for piping that is made out of aluminum you know somethings not right.
We believe in selling a product at a fair price with suburb quality. If we put our name on the product and offer our life time warranty, we want the product to last a life time, not just a few years.
Piping is not the only thing we don't skimp on. The quality of intercooler cores we use are superior then the majority of the intercooler core on the market which in turn cost us a lot more money and we offer the intercoolers at the same price even though we have changed the designed which results in costing us more money. It's the end result which we are proud of. Our motivation has never been to overcharge, but charge a fair price and give you the highest quality product possible. The majority of our customers use these products on a daily basis, not just on the track.
We take these same processes into our day to day actions by hand porting each manifold, surfacing each manifold, porting the inlet and outlet of your intercooler to give it a smooth finish for that non turbulence flow.
I can go on and on about the pro's and con's but right now, stainless seems to be pretty positive
If it's weight savings your looking for we also have an affordable titanium option with a way stronger stencil strength then steel and the weight of aluminum.
Thanks!
Michael
Last edited by ETS Michael; Aug 4, 2011 at 03:05 PM.
Aug 4, 2011, 04:18 PM
#21
We will not build our piping in aluminum. The reason being is aluminum is not near as durable as stainless steel. On a daily basis I deal with customers who have purchased aluminum piping and these are the reasons I see why it's bad.
Reasons Aluminum Is Bad.
Reasons We Use Stainless Steel
It's not cost, stainless steel is 4x the amount of the price of aluminum tubing. Trust me, the profit would be much greater with aluminum piping then stainless steel. So when you see companies charging more then us for piping that is made out of aluminum you know somethings not right.
We believe in selling a product at a fair price with suburb quality. If we put our name on the product and offer our life time warranty, we want the product to last a life time, not just a few years.
Piping is not the only thing we don't skimp on. The quality of intercooler cores we use are superior then the majority of the intercooler core on the market which in turn cost us a lot more money and we offer the intercoolers at the same price even though we have changed the designed which results in costing us more money. It's the end result which we are proud of. Our motivation has never been to overcharge, but charge a fair price and give you the highest quality product possible. The majority of our customers use these products on a daily basis, not just on the track.
We take these same processes into our day to day actions by hand porting each manifold, surfacing each manifold, porting the inlet and outlet of your intercooler to give it a smooth finish for that non turbulence flow.
I can go on and on about the pro's and con's but right now, stainless seems to be pretty positive
If it's weight savings your looking for we also have an affordable titanium option with a way stronger stencil strength then steel and the weight of aluminum.
Thanks!
Michael
Reasons Aluminum Is Bad.
- Over Tightening The Clamps Results In Crushed Pipes That Are Not Fixable.
- They are weak, and vibrations will tear the brackets right off the pipes.
Reasons We Use Stainless Steel
- Durability. Piping will last longer than the car will.
- You can tighten the clamp down as tight as possible and you will not hurt the piping.
It's not cost, stainless steel is 4x the amount of the price of aluminum tubing. Trust me, the profit would be much greater with aluminum piping then stainless steel. So when you see companies charging more then us for piping that is made out of aluminum you know somethings not right.
We believe in selling a product at a fair price with suburb quality. If we put our name on the product and offer our life time warranty, we want the product to last a life time, not just a few years.
Piping is not the only thing we don't skimp on. The quality of intercooler cores we use are superior then the majority of the intercooler core on the market which in turn cost us a lot more money and we offer the intercoolers at the same price even though we have changed the designed which results in costing us more money. It's the end result which we are proud of. Our motivation has never been to overcharge, but charge a fair price and give you the highest quality product possible. The majority of our customers use these products on a daily basis, not just on the track.
We take these same processes into our day to day actions by hand porting each manifold, surfacing each manifold, porting the inlet and outlet of your intercooler to give it a smooth finish for that non turbulence flow.
I can go on and on about the pro's and con's but right now, stainless seems to be pretty positive
If it's weight savings your looking for we also have an affordable titanium option with a way stronger stencil strength then steel and the weight of aluminum.
Thanks!
Michael
Aug 4, 2011, 05:40 PM
#23
Most of the honda guys are going aluminum because it is cheaper and most high performance clamps are made in Aluminum and not steel. When I was building hondas, I used v-band clamps and had them put in a lathe and cut o-ring channels in them. Then used stainless steel piping and ran 40psi without a problem!
Aug 5, 2011, 08:29 AM
#24
Ever seen what a t-bolt clamp can do to an aluminum pipe? Injen IC piping comes to mind. A friend of mine finally had to ditch the Injen piping after the T-bolt clamp had finally tore it up enough to where it was no longer usable. IMO, higher HP applications are better off using steel intercooler piping.
Aug 5, 2011, 11:04 AM
#26
Ever seen what a t-bolt clamp can do to an aluminum pipe? Injen IC piping comes to mind. A friend of mine finally had to ditch the Injen piping after the T-bolt clamp had finally tore it up enough to where it was no longer usable. IMO, higher HP applications are better off using steel intercooler piping.
I only like SS piping. I had Nisei piping and it dented easily when tighten down the tbolt clamps.
Aug 5, 2011, 11:43 AM
#30
As far as weight goes, it all adds up. Keep in mind the larger core on it's own is considerably heavier than the stock unit already, plus heavier piping...? The biggest thing is all of this is at the very front of the car! (overhang...why the RS does not have HID's...to decrease overhang weight..)
Lastly, aluminum dissapates heat faster than steal. I don't think the temp difference would be THAT much, but it's still another benefit of Alu pipes vs SS..
Just my take...
