stock frame or big turbo for 600 awhp?
Aug 15, 2012, 10:42 AM
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I'll try to find some good logs to overlay. I had a BBK Full as well. After 4500-4800 rpm the LMP kit was ahead of the bbk. And not long after that is was north of 100hp more then the bbk
Aug 15, 2012, 10:45 AM
#17
both of those cars have some serious lag, i dont want to have little to no power until 5,000 rpm.
i'd like to go with a twin scroll manifold if im going big, so i'd probably go the 1.04 t4 ts hotside if garrett
im torn between e85 and 93/meth because i heard that the price of e85 is going to be crazy so its not even worth building the fuel system to run it.
i'd like to go with a twin scroll manifold if im going big, so i'd probably go the 1.04 t4 ts hotside if garrett
im torn between e85 and 93/meth because i heard that the price of e85 is going to be crazy so its not even worth building the fuel system to run it.
However, most cars won't lag nearly that bad. Like I said above, a normal T3/35r setup will yield the spool of a Black.
Also, you're completely contradicting yourself by saying the bolded portion. If you want spool set up your turbo kit for that.
If you want no drivability and big pointless power numbers or a low 9 second pass go with a big hotside, large tube manifold, super aggressive cams, a huge IM, etc.
You need to set your turbo kit up to match the rest of your setup. Pick all top end or good drivability with decent top end, because you can't really have both.
Aug 15, 2012, 10:47 AM
#18
Set up things to work together, don't mismatch parts, and you will yield a fast spooling setup with great top end.
Example:
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...tang-dyno.html
Example:
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...tang-dyno.html
Aug 15, 2012, 11:53 AM
#20
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if you want to be different, you can always go with a holset set up like the DSM guys do, im pretty sure there is one guy on here running 9's with an hx40, i believe he is in the 600 hp range also if not more. there cheap, easy to rebuild and you can get a T3 .70AR housing from BEP for cheap.
Aug 16, 2012, 09:33 AM
#22
Its only stressful to the engine if the tq is peek at lower rpms. With that said you are gonna get just as much lag as a larger turbo so with that said I hate to say it I love your stuff but I totally disagree with ya Michael. With that said why not go stock frame with 600 hp?
Aug 16, 2012, 02:29 PM
#24
both of those cars have some serious lag, i dont want to have little to no power until 5,000 rpm.
i'd like to go with a twin scroll manifold if im going big, so i'd probably go the 1.04 t4 ts hotside if garrett
im torn between e85 and 93/meth because i heard that the price of e85 is going to be crazy so its not even worth building the fuel system to run it.
i'd like to go with a twin scroll manifold if im going big, so i'd probably go the 1.04 t4 ts hotside if garrett
im torn between e85 and 93/meth because i heard that the price of e85 is going to be crazy so its not even worth building the fuel system to run it.
we've been there-
we've used TS T4- and then gone to Vband T3 and only lost 350 rpm and picked up 100whp LOL!
it all depends on what you can pair up-
you will never match a stock housing on spool, but you will struggle to make the power that a T3 kit can make in the range of power you are asking for-
cb
do it right once not wrong twice
Aug 16, 2012, 03:31 PM
#27
Its only stressful to the engine if the tq is peek at lower rpms. With that said you are gonna get just as much lag as a larger turbo so with that said I hate to say it I love your stuff but I totally disagree with ya Michael. With that said why not go stock frame with 600 hp?
No stock frame turbo can do that on pump. The twin to my car, JohnnyTSI's, makes 575 at 24psi on E85 but only 520s on pump at 28. I am not hating on either, I have owned basically every FP product up to the 42Rs and the new HTA variants, and can tell what each does and why one is better than the other.
Aug 16, 2012, 03:47 PM
#28
600whp on a Black is easy but requires 28-30psi on E85 for most combinations. I made 588 at 23psi on pump. One barely works the motor, the other is using the capabilities of the motor. That being said I have an FP Black ready to go on my car and a stock turbo on it currently. The FP3586 and 3794 are great turbos and make ridiculous power at low boost on a good setup on pumpgas.
No stock frame turbo can do that on pump. The twin to my car, JohnnyTSI's, makes 575 at 24psi on E85 but only 520s on pump at 28. I am not hating on either, I have owned basically every FP product up to the 42Rs and the new HTA variants, and can tell what each does and why one is better than the other.
No stock frame turbo can do that on pump. The twin to my car, JohnnyTSI's, makes 575 at 24psi on E85 but only 520s on pump at 28. I am not hating on either, I have owned basically every FP product up to the 42Rs and the new HTA variants, and can tell what each does and why one is better than the other.
Aug 17, 2012, 01:57 AM
#29
600whp on a Black is easy but requires 28-30psi on E85 for most combinations. I made 588 at 23psi on pump. One barely works the motor, the other is using the capabilities of the motor. That being said I have an FP Black ready to go on my car and a stock turbo on it currently. The FP3586 and 3794 are great turbos and make ridiculous power at low boost on a good setup on pumpgas.
Aug 17, 2012, 07:34 AM
#30
Really... When does the power come on, these are JB turbos right, last I checked they weren't doing these in a BB variant. I am curious because I love the spool of the stock frames but I want/need to find something with some room to grow overhead wise. And I am torn between the EF4, ATP-GTX-3582R for stock frames and then the LMP35R kit for a T3 option. What is the lbs/min flow rate like on the EF4?
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