BR Clutchless 4 speed in the 9's and M&H Slick update thread
#31
My goal for my own car is to simply run an 8 second pass, maybe back it up with another just to do it twice if the car is running well. I do not care about going after records anymore, I want a true street EVO that I can autocross, drive and pull into the drag strip and run an 8 second pass on. So the goal with my car is to first go 8's on the slicks and then put radials on it that will stay on it and try to do it on radials.
Yes, we will test this in a dedicated drag car. Someone who owns a dedicated drag car has one on order with us actually. I'd also assume that sooner or later another guy is going to give up on spending his life's earnings on transmissions and clutches and listen to me and also switch. FIRST though, I have to prove this and get the car to make some passes without trouble. I think we have most of it figured out. I have said from the beginning if the trans can handle 40'ish 8.90-9.0 passes that is what I want to see and it will be ready for release. If it needs freshened up after giving it's owner 40 good consistent passes I will happy.
I agree on the MPH, it is going to drop for sure. I ran the car last year and I'm not a good driver. I ran a 10.2x at 143 mph last year at about 32-33 psi of boost if I remember right. This year I ran 9.94 at 140.3 mph. The next run should have been much quicker/faster but ended up being .5 tenths quicker but a gain of only 3 mph. I believe now, after having the failure, the pump/converter were both going out and resulted in the loss. We will see soon.
MANY people lose mph because their torque converter technology stinks. I think I am working with some of the best guys in that industry on this and they have proven to me in the past they can get a car to stall where it needs to and still have good efficiency (lock up) on the top end. From looking at the data logs of the gear changes, I believe we are on the right path. Foot braking the car to 4,000 rpm is fast and easy and resulted in a 1.39 sixty foot, the car spun a little and Kevin had to pedal it just a bit before the 60' clocks. There is also about 1900 rpm drop on the gear change, which is huge showing the slippage in the converter is excellent.
I figure it's going to take 150 mph trap speeds to hit 8.90's, which is down about 10 mph from the best the car has run.
This trans should make the life of the engine go way up too, the RPM's needed to run are greatly reduced with the gear ratio's and the converter working good.
Yes, we will test this in a dedicated drag car. Someone who owns a dedicated drag car has one on order with us actually. I'd also assume that sooner or later another guy is going to give up on spending his life's earnings on transmissions and clutches and listen to me and also switch. FIRST though, I have to prove this and get the car to make some passes without trouble. I think we have most of it figured out. I have said from the beginning if the trans can handle 40'ish 8.90-9.0 passes that is what I want to see and it will be ready for release. If it needs freshened up after giving it's owner 40 good consistent passes I will happy.
I agree on the MPH, it is going to drop for sure. I ran the car last year and I'm not a good driver. I ran a 10.2x at 143 mph last year at about 32-33 psi of boost if I remember right. This year I ran 9.94 at 140.3 mph. The next run should have been much quicker/faster but ended up being .5 tenths quicker but a gain of only 3 mph. I believe now, after having the failure, the pump/converter were both going out and resulted in the loss. We will see soon.
MANY people lose mph because their torque converter technology stinks. I think I am working with some of the best guys in that industry on this and they have proven to me in the past they can get a car to stall where it needs to and still have good efficiency (lock up) on the top end. From looking at the data logs of the gear changes, I believe we are on the right path. Foot braking the car to 4,000 rpm is fast and easy and resulted in a 1.39 sixty foot, the car spun a little and Kevin had to pedal it just a bit before the 60' clocks. There is also about 1900 rpm drop on the gear change, which is huge showing the slippage in the converter is excellent.
I figure it's going to take 150 mph trap speeds to hit 8.90's, which is down about 10 mph from the best the car has run.
This trans should make the life of the engine go way up too, the RPM's needed to run are greatly reduced with the gear ratio's and the converter working good.
#33
I also can't because as of now there is no vehicle speed sensor in the car.
#35
Awesome Dave, knew you'd get this nailed down!
Looking forward to seeing the results from your next round of testing. Got rid of my 5 speed already to make room for the auto, wifes stoked she'll be able to drive the car now!
So now that I have her onboard I'm patiently waiting for the kits to be released.
Looking forward to seeing the results from your next round of testing. Got rid of my 5 speed already to make room for the auto, wifes stoked she'll be able to drive the car now!
So now that I have her onboard I'm patiently waiting for the kits to be released.
#36
If you are serious about the clutchless 4 speed, please send me a PM so I can get your name on the list. I will be contacting people as we progress and can build/ship kits.
Also, I was in Tim Gentil's 1g this last week to tune it. He has our DSM auto in his car. He also had a B&M Pro Ratchet shifter. After using it I am going to switch my car over to the Pro Ratchet, I ordered it yesterday, should be here today. Mike Ferrara, owner of DSport Magazine, was a HUGE help in the electronic side of the trans when he was here this weekend. He built a new control box for us that now has ZERO heat issues, FINALLY!! He called yesterday because he's so excited for us and this project and while talking to him he said he could build a small LED heads up type display to display the gear position for the dash. So, I asked him to build one for me to try. This will allow the ratchet shifter to fit in the car like a 5 speed, actually will be hard to tell it's not a 5 speed. In the dash we will have a gear position LED that reads P-R-N-4-3-2-1. This will probably be an option for guys who run the ratchet shifter and come with our kits.
Also, I was in Tim Gentil's 1g this last week to tune it. He has our DSM auto in his car. He also had a B&M Pro Ratchet shifter. After using it I am going to switch my car over to the Pro Ratchet, I ordered it yesterday, should be here today. Mike Ferrara, owner of DSport Magazine, was a HUGE help in the electronic side of the trans when he was here this weekend. He built a new control box for us that now has ZERO heat issues, FINALLY!! He called yesterday because he's so excited for us and this project and while talking to him he said he could build a small LED heads up type display to display the gear position for the dash. So, I asked him to build one for me to try. This will allow the ratchet shifter to fit in the car like a 5 speed, actually will be hard to tell it's not a 5 speed. In the dash we will have a gear position LED that reads P-R-N-4-3-2-1. This will probably be an option for guys who run the ratchet shifter and come with our kits.
#37
cars never looked so smooth going down the strip dave honestly if i had not seen thease threads i would have never new it had a auto i had to take a double look at the car sunday becuase i had forgot good luck with it.
#40
Congrats on another successful shootout and an even bigger CONGRATS on getting the Bad Bish done in time with some real testing on the new 4 speed running 9's
I am looking forward to seeing the progress of this and can't wait to see what the out comes are
Thanks,
Dallin
I am looking forward to seeing the progress of this and can't wait to see what the out comes are
Thanks,
Dallin
#41
Congrats Dave on everything. Following the build on the auto was like a rollercoaster. I was always on the edge of my seat because it seemed you had enough with the shenanigans it was giving you but you would always continue to plug away. Nicely done.
Edit: quick question. Is this the first 9 sec auto evo in the world?
Edit: quick question. Is this the first 9 sec auto evo in the world?
#42
Congrats Dave on everything. Following the build on the auto was like a rollercoaster. I was always on the edge of my seat because it seemed you had enough with the shenanigans it was giving you but you would always continue to plug away. Nicely done.
Edit: quick question. Is this the first 9 sec auto evo in the world?
Edit: quick question. Is this the first 9 sec auto evo in the world?
#43
Any reason why the video was removed? I've seen it but its worth another look. The run looked so smooth and I can only imagine how much better it will be after Buschur keeps working at it. Congrats Buschur and Good luck on your goals.
#44
Thanks everybody!
Yes, this is a full kit we are going to offer. It will get shipped out for the end user to install. The kit will come complete with the trans, transfer case, shifter, brackets, engine and trans mounts, electronics etc., etc. We will only offer it in a full kit and then offer some options, like shifter and maybe heads up gear display etc.
YES!! This is the first EVO7, 8, 9 or X to run a 9 second pass on an "auto" trans.
No idea on the video, if you go to our BR Facebook page, there is a link below, there are a few videos that have been posted up there.
Yes, this is a full kit we are going to offer. It will get shipped out for the end user to install. The kit will come complete with the trans, transfer case, shifter, brackets, engine and trans mounts, electronics etc., etc. We will only offer it in a full kit and then offer some options, like shifter and maybe heads up gear display etc.
YES!! This is the first EVO7, 8, 9 or X to run a 9 second pass on an "auto" trans.
No idea on the video, if you go to our BR Facebook page, there is a link below, there are a few videos that have been posted up there.